Thread: Was Bosnia Worth It?

Originally Posted by lurker

In my opinion it was not worth it. The way it was done - it was not worth it.

Helping them to forget the idea of unity of all the Yugoslavian nations, that helped to keep peaceful (and sometimes even prosperous) the country for 40+ years?
Supporting one's "independece" at cost of the others, and under Fascist flags?
Completely accusing and bombing only one side? Letting other side to commit all and any war crimes and genocide, that nobody, not a single person has yet beeng charged?
Expelling hundreds of thousands people from lands where they lived for 400 years?

Yugoslavia was never a part of the Soviet camp. It was independent from both systems. Not a colony. But a country with it's own path.

I can only regret, that Russia's government at that time took a treacherous course, has not helped, and maybe even added to that mess. And I can state that many people in Russia understand, seeing, and remember that.

And that History does not end now. It continues. And one year, or even 20 years comparing to 400 is just a second.

Well said Lurker, thank you for this. Only to add few words.

Yugoslavia was truly attempt to unite South Slavic peoples only between WWI and WWII, even then it was King’s Alexander I Karadjordjevic mistake. After that it was only part of the Croatian and Slovenian path to their independences in which Serbs were stupid and forgiving.

Although my people and even my family suffered a lot from communist regime, my personal opinion is that I regret because we weren’t part of Soviet (Russian) camp. Maybe I’m subjective because my grandmother came from Estonia (at that time Russia) during WWI when she met my grandfather who was escapee from Austro-Hungarian POW camp. Still, Serbian bonds to Russia and Russians looks completely logical to me. Russia was first guaranteed Serbian autonomy under Ottomans during 19th century which was important part of renewal of Serbian Independence lost in 15th century and all Serbs remember that. Besides we are both Slavs and Orthodox Christians.

Treacherous moves are signs of difficult state of society, they are more or less common and Serbia now has pro-western course in some aspect treacherous to Russia. Off course these are abstract category in world in which all are looking for their own interests. Although our countries are now facing probably the most difficult problems there is and there will surely be enough place for strengthening bonds. At the end, this new Serbian version of M-84 looks to me too similar to T-90.

If the U.S. had not intervened in the war in Bosnia, there would be no bosnia now. Croatian armed forces were preparing for an attack on Banja Luka, and Operation Storm would have swept through all of Bosnia, forcing thousands of Serbs to flee, so for the Serbs sake, it was crucial for the Americans to interfere. If the Americans knew that the Serb Republic would be what it is today, they would hav enot interfered and would have let Operation Storm sweep through Bosnia.

Then, you would've seen the 2JA rushing forth to meet them.

Originally Posted by DINAMO

If the U.S. had not intervened in the war in Bosnia, there would be no bosnia now. Croatian armed forces were preparing for an attack on Banja Luka, and Operation Storm would have swept through all of Bosnia, forcing thousands of Serbs to flee, so for the Serbs sake, it was crucial for the Americans to interfere. If the Americans knew that the Serb Republic would be what it is today, they would hav enot interfered and would have let Operation Storm sweep through Bosnia.

BS, best thing your “armed forces” were capable of doing is dealing with rag-tag militia in Krajina including raping and killing of old people and bombing refugee columns from your MiG-21s. You were waiting five years for Milosevic and some circles in International Community to close their eyes to conduct your little raping party. When he opened his, he saw that Tudjman exaggerated in his part of their private deal. Than, he impended that VJ will march into Bosnia, you stopped your lousy theater performance.

Anyway, from what you have posted here, I see that, like all good Croats, you are dreaming about burned Bajna Luka, Belgrade and other serbian towns…

To me it makes no difference whether Belgrade or Banja Luka is burning. It does not affect my life. Operation Storm boasted some 150,000 Croatian HVO troops. Plans were made up to occupy Banja Luka four days before the operation was cancelled. As for the HVO troops raping old people and such, the only crimes against Croatian Serbians in Krajina were commited by nationalist Croatians, or rag tag militias that took control of the area after the HVO troops left.

Originally Posted by DINAMO

To me it makes no difference whether Belgrade or Banja Luka is burning.

This is approving my fact.

Originally Posted by DINAMO

Operation Storm boasted some 150,000 Croatian HVO troops.

Most of them were rag-tag militia with training levels approximate to shooting in air on wedding parties.

Originally Posted by DINAMO

Plans were made up to occupy Banja Luka four days before the operation was cancelled.

It was canceled when Milosevic said that VJ will cross the Drina.

Originally Posted by DINAMO

As for the HVO troops raping old people and such, the only crimes against Croatian Serbians in Krajina were commited by nationalist Croatians, or rag tag militias that took control of the area after the HVO troops left.

Your highest state officials were planning ethnic cleansing; troops included were conducting it. Number of non-nationalist/nazi Croats is expressed in per mills.

Look, I have no problem with your independence neither with your people, at the end, that story is over. Problem is in method achieving it. I’m perfectly aware what Croats are thinking and who they are since I have two brothers and two sisters in Zagreb which are Croats. Just don’t try to sell me or every one else here bowls instead of kidneys, and there is good chance that I will accept you as I accept everyone here.

P.S. Budi Ustaša, ali nemoj da me ubedjuješ da si neki demokrata i sve je u redu.

The "ethnic cleansing" was never approved by Croatian Army or state officials. Ante Gotovina, one of the leading generals in Operation Storm wrote a letter to his sub-commanders stating that if anyone commits any attrocities against civilians of any ethnic background, that they will be shot with no trial. I am no Ustasa.

"Originally Posted by DINAMO
To me it makes no difference whether Belgrade or Banja Luka is burning.


This is approving my fact."

If Belgrade burns tommorow, how does it affect my life? I does not. I don't get any extra wages at work, I don't enjoy my life any more than i do now. So I never want any city in Europe to burn, and why would I want that happening to other people of a similar faith of me? Serbs are Christians. I do not care what happens in Serbia, as long as it does not affect Croatia or the Bosnian Croatians.

Originally Posted by DINAMO

The "ethnic cleansing" was never approved by Croatian Army or state officials. Ante Gotovina, one of the leading generals in Operation Storm wrote a letter to his sub-commanders stating that if anyone commits any attrocities against civilians of any ethnic background, that they will be shot with no trial. I am no Ustasa.

*** shaking my head *** There are people who actually believe this bull.