Was Bosnia Worth It?

**kNikS** · 21 Feb 06, 11:03

Log revolution started because you voted supporters of your beloved Ustashe ideology who propagated independence using methods like genocide and ethnic cleansing just as he described in his bedtime literature. Also they illegally excluded Serbs as constitutional factor and left them without rights. And there were at least two thirds of Serbs in Krajina by that time. Talking about barbarous campaign your people started it against Serbs allover Croatia. I could show you that on personal example since my whole family from Mother’s side is from Krajina and Slavonia. Grandfather’s side from Slavonia got the message and settled here before they lost everything but the others weren’t that smart so after Oluja they ended in my flat with few blankets, without tractors and possessions. And just to tell you that there were no Croats in their village before the war. And of course that they ordered evacuation but it wasn’t because they wanted to migrate in warmer regions but because they would be killed, tortured, raped and their homes burned as happened to some of them. Sad thing is that we all lived together for fifty years with some of us waiting to divide…

**Visigoth** · 14 Mar 06, 06:22

Frankly,Kniks..dosadan si.You sound like a parrot,repeating all that Chetnik crap about the Ustashe.You probably weren't there.Don't listen to those ill educated pig farmers"seljaci".Who voted for Milosevic,he orchestrated the balkan nightmare,a certain percentage of your countrymen believed in him and his vision of a greater Serbia.Tudjman won as a sort of knee jerk reaction,at the time things looked rather bleak for Hrvatska.Before the 90's it wasn't so much an anti Serbia feeling but more of get those commies off our backs,I even despised croatian communists.But once Slobo inflamed nationalistic fervor,the ball started rolling..the rest is history

**kNikS** · 14 Mar 06, 20:22

Originally Posted by Visigoth

Frankly,Kniks..dosadan si.You sound like a parrot,repeating all that Chetnik crap about the Ustashe.

Haha.. dosadan sam… Nothing more than you are… Repeating crap about the Ustashe? Well your media and your president during nineties were the ones babbling as parrots about the Ustashe. I only pointed that your people followed that idea. Idea responsible for deaths of several hundreds of thousands of Serbs, Jews and Gypsies in Jasenovac. And you can’t say that isn’t true. And you revived that idea in this war.

Originally Posted by Visigoth

You probably weren't there.

For your information I have two aunts with two brothers and two sisters (Croats) in Zagreb. Last time I was in Croatia in 2003. But I bet you weren't here.

Originally Posted by Visigoth

Don't listen to those ill educated pig farmers"seljaci".Who voted for Milosevic,he orchestrated the balkan nightmare,a certain percentage of your countrymen believed in him and his vision of a greater Serbia.Tudjman won as a sort of knee jerk reaction,at the time things looked rather bleak for Hrvatska.

Me!? Listening to ill educated pig farmers who voted for Milosevic!? Jesus Christ I’m cursing the day when they managed to get to their voting places! I never said he wasn’t, but surely not alone – Franjo and Alija helped them a lot. And considering the fact that Serbia is housing thousands of hundreds of refugees from Bosnia and Croatia, their parts of responsibility are possibly bigger than his.

Yes, countrymen supported him. Ill educated people are always ready to believe in demagogy. But in ’91 and over we had mass demonstrations against him. On the other side not only your countrymen voted for Franjo and his vision of greater Croatia as well. And I didn’t hear that Croats complaining too much about his politics against Serbs in Croatia.

Originally Posted by Visigoth

Before the 90's it wasn't so much an anti Serbia feeling but more of get those commies off our backs,I even despised croatian communists.But once Slobo inflamed nationalistic fervor,the ball started rolling..the rest is history

Not an anti-Serbia feeling? You gotta be kidding me. Only bigger anti-Serbia feeling was in WWII but I couldn’t swear in that. You despised communists, so what? Majority of people here (including me and my family) despised them too. Nationalist fervour was inflamed in Croatia against Serbs. Of course it’s history. History of destruction of Serbian population in other ex-Yugoslav countries.

**Visigoth** · 16 Mar 06, 05:44

No need to bet,I wasn't in Hrvatska in 2003.I was in California,but I was there during the period in question 91-95.Tudjman was a ex communist,he just changed his colors,if your looking for me to defend him,sorry,he made many tragic errors,never liked the bastardo.I suppose you and I could go on forever...why bother,this conflict was well documented,and I mean the start which was in the late 80's

**kNikS** · 08 Apr 06, 21:15

My only point concearning Serbo-Croatian conflicts, both 1941 and 1991, was to proove that we Serbs share responsibility with you Croats, and that our part isn't even bigger than yours. I admitted my part of responsibility and expressed dissagreement and disgust for such politics and actions. And that is opinion of majority in Serbia, which I precisely defined and argumented.

On the other side, from what I have seen when I was in Croatia (and I was there in the outbreak of the war, and several times after the war), heard or seen as the outcome of your politics and from what I heard from you, I can conclude that people with sincere will or readiness to distance from such politics are in minority.

Yes, this conflict is well documented, and there are people elsewhere and on this board which was there and which know what really happened.

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