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    Militantly Christian

    This kind of alleged conduct might be deemed appropriate at Al Kharj, Rislapur and Tehran, but certainly should not be tolerated in Colorado Springs.

    I am sure the USAF will find an inhospitable air field in an obscure part of the world to post those responsible for this alleged state of affairs.

    Richard Cohen: Militantly Christian

    Religious hazing has no place at academy

    10:04 PM CDT on Sunday, June 12, 2005

    We should all attend the U.S. Air Force Academy, mainly to find out what happens when religion is not kept in its place. At the academy, the result has been utter contempt for separation of church and state and a form of religious persecution. Its own top guy, Lt. Gen. John W. Rosa Jr., doing an unintended homage to the movie Apollo 13, put it this way: "We have a problem."
    I'd "roger" that.

    The problem, as Gen. Rosa himself described it in a meeting earlier this month with the Anti-Defamation League, "is very insidious" and will take "probably six years" to solve, partly because until recently he didn't realize the academy had a problem.

    The culture of militant Christianity, of intimidation and outright bigotry, was so entrenched that no one, except an occasional victim, noticed anything was amiss.
    We are talking about what a former chaplain at the academy called a "systematic and pervasive" effort at religious proselytizing in which both students and faculty participated. We are talking about semi-official efforts to promote Mel Gibson's film The Passion of the Christ. We are talking about e-mails sent to the entire student body with religious messages and classes that opened with a prayer and the intimidation of secular or non-Christian students by others.

    In his talk, Gen. Rosa quibbled with some news reports, so let's stick to what he himself acknowledged. The one that is probably the most troubling has to do with a banner the football coach hung in the locker room. It said, "I am a Christian first and last ... and a member of Team Jesus Christ."

    "It came down right after it went up, but clearly, clearly over the line," Gen. Rosa told the ADL. "I personally sat down with the football coach. We talked and had a two-hour discussion." Gen. Rosa said he told the coach, Fisher DeBerry, that the government was "paying him to coach" football, not religion.

    The so-called "Competitor's Creed" can be found in plenty of locker rooms, but the Air Force Academy is not just another school. It's an entirely government-supported institution whose graduates go off and work for the government – which is to say you and me.

    The Air Force Academy is not a Christian institution. It is a military school, attended mostly by Christians. That's a big difference.

    Some blame the academy's troubles on its location, Colorado Springs. The city is the headquarters of many fundamentalist Christian groups and churches. That's bound to have an effect. But the real trouble is one of leadership.

    Coach DeBerry has been at the academy for more than 20 years. Last year cannot be the first time he hung such a banner. The same holds for whoever thought The Passion of the Christ ought to be, in effect, a required course – or the others who made Jews and Catholics and moderate Protestants feel singled out. This is just the first time all of this has come to the attention of outsiders.
    If Gen. Rosa did not know what was happening at the academy – he's been superintendent less than two years – others certainly did.

    Don't they know anything about the Bill of Rights and separation of church and state? Little in life better exemplifies the state and its power than a military academy.

    The next time anyone asserts that religion is being shoved around in America, tell him to look at the Air Force Academy. And the next time anyone suggests that courts have gone too far in protecting the rights of religious minorities, tell him to look at the Air Force Academy.

    In the meantime, Congress ought to look – and look hard – at the academy and the officers it has graduated. They know how to fly, but maybe they don't know what they are flying for.

    Richard Cohen writes for The Washington Post. His e-mail address is cohenr@washpost.com.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hari_Om
    This kind of alleged conduct might be deemed appropriate at Al Kharj, Rislapur and Tehran, but certainly should not be tolerated in Colorado Springs.

    I am sure the USAF will find an inhospitable air field in an obscure part of the world to post those responsible for this alleged state of affairs.
    I haven't paid too much attention to the USAFA stories, but this attitude certaintly didn't exist ten years ago when I spent a semester there on exchange. If true, it definitely shouldn't be tolerated. However, I'd be curious to see comments from those that have followed this story closely to see if this is a pervasive problem based on the evidence that has come forward and been verified or if it is a case of the MSM kicking the academy while it is down since it just went through a recent scandal of unreported sexual assaults, etc.

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    i'm not absolutely sure, but i think i've been reading like pieces for about 6 months.

    however this has occured its a fundamental breakdown in both leadership and management.

    sort of related to this issue, but not specificly part of this story: while lurking on freerepublic.com over the last year or so i've seen a fair number of comments relating to 'the military being on our side' and the like. i know FR has its fair share of fruitcakes but it does represent a portion - possibly an important portion - of the religous right and republican public opinion.

    is this attitude or belief in anyway permiating the military or political establishment or are these the fruitcakes of legend?
    before criticizing someone, walk a mile in their shoes.................... then when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave angel
    i'm not absolutely sure, but i think i've been reading like pieces for about 6 months.

    however this has occured its a fundamental breakdown in both leadership and management.

    sort of related to this issue, but not specificly part of this story: while lurking on freerepublic.com over the last year or so i've seen a fair number of comments relating to 'the military being on our side' and the like. i know FR has its fair share of fruitcakes but it does represent a portion - possibly an important portion - of the religous right and republican public opinion.

    is this attitude or belief in anyway permiating the military or political establishment or are these the fruitcakes of legend?
    I have never had any religious pressure or seen any overtly zealous religious activity in my 9 years of active duty service in the US Army. While I am a Roman Catholic, I am not the type to proclaim my religion or to try and push it on anybody. I made sure as a commander to get the battalion chaplain to say mass every week while we were in the field on training exercises, but it was a non-denominal Christian mass (the chaplain was Baptist) where any soldier was welcome to attend or not attend. I'd estimate about 10-15% of the company would attend. If we also were able to bring a Catholic and/or Protestant chaplain as well, then more soldiers would attend a denominational mass.

    The only discrimination I ever saw was on behalf of the OPFOR at JRTC. We were in the assembly area and both the Protestant and Catholic chaplains were saying mass at the same time and our little groups were spaced about 25m apart. The firemarker came up on his ATV and dropped the arty simulator in the middle of the Protestants and killed them, to include my XO. Me and my 1SG (both Catholics) gave the XO shiznit for the rest of the rotation and told him that Catholics were better than Protestants. It was all in good nature and was done in a private and quiet manner so it wouldn't be construed as anything other than giving the XO a hard time (he always claimed he had bad luck and used this as an example).

    I'll have to pay more attention to the articles - I had initially chalked it up to kicking USAFA while they were down, but since the story has lingered around, I'll have to actually read the recent and future articles.

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    "I haven't paid too much attention to the USAFA stories, but this attitude certaintly didn't exist ten years ago when I spent a semester there on exchange. If true, it definitely shouldn't be tolerated."

    One of the pilots at my board(KC-135) just graduated from there two years ago, and she never said squat about any of this.

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