And old article, but nevertheless good

**Stinger** · 12 Aug 03, 16:30

Originally Posted by ChrisF202

interesting, Stalingrad was the beginning of the end thanks to the Red Army

I would say more thanks to Hitler

**Bill** · 12 Aug 03, 20:56

"interesting, Stalingrad was the beginning of the end thanks to the Red Army "

Actually, no, it was Midway.

If the US is cowed by the Japanese Hitler only has one front to contend with. All the divisions in the West can go east, and the Japanese are free to attack Russia via Manchuria.

Now it's russia with the two front war.

The Battle of Midway was the defining moment of WWII.

BTW, the battle of Stalingrad did not halt the Nazi advance. Army group center was smashed at Kursk, almost a year later.

**ChrisF202** · 12 Aug 03, 23:15

I was talking about the beginning of the end in the ETO, not PTO

**Stinger** · 13 Aug 03, 12:57

Originally Posted by ChrisF202

I was talking about the beginning of the end in the ETO, not PTO

You can only seperate the two to a limited degree. But Midway was such a devastating defeat for the IJN (and consequntly a huge victory for the USN) that it basically secured the US. And in that victory we weree able to protected our infrastructure completely. After that the outcome of the war is basically assured, all thats left to figure out is how many casualties there will be.

**Lunatock** · 14 Aug 03, 00:23

The two fatal mistakes that cost the Axis victory overall. Hitler ordering the invasion of Russia. And the attack on Pearl Harbor.

Otherwise Europe, Asia, Middle East, and Africa would of been theirs. And one could only have guessed if North America, South America, Mexico, and Canada would of been invaded.

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