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    Russian strategy in Central Asia

    A quite interesting article: Russia-India ties sour in Central Asia

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    It is not surprising that Russia's heavy-handed approach to Central Asia security, India's aspirations, and military sales has forestalled a genuine strategic partnership between Moscow and New Delhi that will counter the "soft power" outreach of Beijing through the SCO.
    The times of ‘strategic partnerships’ have gone once and for all.
    Situational partneship would be more appropriate.

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    Good one 1980s. Thanks for the post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew View Post
    The times of ‘strategic partnerships’ have gone once and for all.
    Situational partneship would be more appropriate.
    Situational partnerships leave the populations of countries out in the cold if leaders are not elected through democratic means. One idiot in office could ruin a country for years starting perhaps a war if he were to make the wrong political decisions and the people pay for it with their lives. NATO is not going anywhere, and you can see for yourself why so many countries belong to it. Safety in numbers and help when its most needed during times of national crisis such as tsunami's, floods, earthquakes, invasions etc.

    How many countries would Russia or say China, Cuba or Venezuala, Bolivia aid in times of crisis if they were not communists OR against the US.? Probably none. Where as the US has attempted to assist communist countries in the past and were refused, why? because it might embarass your politicians and just maybe the people might not see us as the boggie man that many make us out to be. Myanmar would be a good example of just such a thing and so would the Kursk accident.
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    And who is the target of this moralizing stance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew View Post
    And who is the target of this moralizing stance?
    *Not a moralizing stance, its called reality and it has as much proof to go along with it as is desired. Its not aimed at anybody, it is a true statement all in itself.

    Strategic partnerships are not gone, they are needed and exist in this very day including right now as we speak.
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    Perhaps the most remarkable news in a year of Eurasian overreach by India was the revelation that New Delhi had been considering the establishment of an Indian Air Force base in, of all places, Mongolia.
    ha ha ha.
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    India shelves proposal to set up airbase in Mongolia?
    September 18th, 2009 - 5:57 pm ICT by IANS Tell a Friend -

    By Ritu Sharma
    New Delhi, Sep 18 (IANS) An Indian proposal to have an airbase in Mongolia to increase its strategic outreach in the Central Asian region appears to have been shelved, an official said, amid concerns that it could exacerbate tensions with China.

    Mooted in 2004 during the visit of then Mongolian prime minister N. Enkhbayar in January 2004, the idea elicited a positive response in Mongolia, a country with which India has been rapidly developing ties in the space and defence fields.

    “We wanted to have a base in Mongolia but it has not fructified. Currently, we have a base in Tajikistan, and that’s it,” a senior Indian Air Force (IAF) official told IANS requesting anonymity because he is not authorised to speak to the media.

    Although India used the Tajikistan airbase at the turn of the century, it is really not operational in the military sense and there are no Indian aircraft stationed there, knowledgeable sources say.

    Besides providing enhanced reach to the IAF, the Mongolian base was seen as giving India strategic leverage vis-a-vis China. Resource-rich Central Asia is also important for India to secure its energy supplies.

    But the proposed airbase did not figure during the recently concluded four-day visit of Mongolian President Tsakhia Elbegdorj toIndia. Elbegdorj signed a civil nuclear pact with India. Four other pacts were inked, including one to enhance defence cooperation.

    These ties have steadily proliferated since the late 1990s as part of New Delhi’s ‘Look East’ policy and strategy to build strategic ties with China’s neighbours. And with China-Mongolian relations de-emphasising Mongolian nationalism and focusing more on regional security cooperation, the Central Asian country is keen to strengthen its ties with other countries as well.

    In 2001, India and Mongolia signed an agreement on Defence Cooperation, which included joint exercises and reciprocal visits by military officers, followed by the constitution of Joint Defence Working Group.

    In January 2004, a cooperation protocol was signed between its Department of Space and the Mongolian Ministry of Infrastructure. It also covers studies related to satellite communication, satellite-related remote sensing and satellite meteorology. Also included in the protocol are satellite ground stations and satellite mission management, training facilities and exchange of scientists.

    A defence ministry official said the idea of the base emerged from long-term “strategic thinking” and a proposal did reach the Cabinet Committee onSecurity (CCS).

    “We wanted a base in Mongolia to give us greater reach in the region. But with an air-to-air refueller and better aircraft (with us), the need is not imminent,” said the official on condition of anonymity.

    Defence experts agree that the airbase would have given India a bigger strategic footprint.

    “Having a military presence in the region will give India a much greater strategic profile. However, it (the plan for a base in Mongolia) seems to have been shelved as the move may be seen as provocative by China,” National Maritime Foundation director Commodore Uday C. Bhaskar, a well known strategic analyst, told IANS.

    India and Mongolia share good relations, which have been deepened by the Buddhist link. India was the first non-Communist country to recognise Mongolia, which opened its embassy here in 1956. India’s diplomatic mission there opened 15 years later in 1971.

    While New Delhi has reportedly dropped plans to have an airbase in Mongolia, experts say that China continues with its strategy to encircle New Delhi with a series of ports in countries neighbouring India.

    The Gwadar port developed in Pakistan with China’s help has neared completion. Opening at the mouth of the Strait of Hormuz, it has provided China a strategic foothold in Asia and a crucial gateway to trade. The deep-water harbour in Gwadar could be used by China’s expanding fleet of nuclear submarines.

    China is also engaged in developing ports and building infrastructure in Nepal, Sri Lanka, Myanmar and Bangladesh.

    Said Bhaskar: “The Indian government is not clear how to deal with China. India should think of investing in a civil air base in Mongolia. It will be akin to the commercial port in Sri Lanka that China is investing in.”

    (Ritu Sharma can be contacted at ritu.s@ians.in)

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    While New Delhi has reportedly dropped plans to have an airbase in Mongolia, experts say that China continues with its strategy to encircle New Delhi with a series of ports in countries neighbouring India.
    Pakistan is likely to allow China to use ports in a time of war with India; Mongolia would destroy India's planes themselves with hammers and axes.
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    Mongolia imports 90% of their rice and 70% their veg from China, the single Chinese investment in copper and coal mines at the China-Mongolia border account for 10% of their GDP. The only way Mongolian goods at be loaded into cargo ships is thought the railroad connected to Tianjin. It would be difficult for India to replace China in the economic realm.

    anyhow, the GOI should not have to worry too much about a Chinese take over of Mongolian, the Russian won't allow it.
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    Any Indian air base in Mongolia wouldn't be very large, meaning it'd be a vulnerable target in the event of any Chinese Indian War.

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    I'm sure the Mongols would do whatever it took to prevent a single plane crippling their trade with China...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnought View Post
    *Not a moralizing stance, its called reality and it has as much proof to go along with it as is desired. Its not aimed at anybody, it is a true statement all in itself.

    Strategic partnerships are not gone, they are needed and exist in this very day including right now as we speak.
    Yep, whatever you say my friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skywatcher View Post
    Any Indian air base in Mongolia wouldn't be very large, meaning it'd be a vulnerable target in the event of any Chinese Indian War.
    Neither China nor Russia will allow any Indian planes a passway through their airspace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1980s View Post
    A quite interesting article: Russia-India ties sour in Central Asia
    Answers to some bogeys raised by 'Peter Lee' regarding Indo-Russia 'mistrust' can be found here.

    Another tryst: imagining India & Russia

    BTW the person who writes under the pen name of "Peter Lee" runs a blog
    China Matters
    A cursory glance through it should clearly show which side his bread is buttered on.

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