Thread: US 'shelves Europe missile plan'

actually, i highly doubt russia wants to see iran with nuclear capability-- that means russia will have less influence on what they can do with tehran. what the russians like is the current situation, where the US is forced to spend greater amounts of money and political capital against what they consider a proxy power.

If Russia wants to settle disputes, then proxy power isint the way to go. If we the US used proxy power to our ability with Russia then Cuba and Venezuala would no longer be a port of call for the Russians and three more former soviet blocs would already be in NATO.

In other words it need not be this way but this is the road they are traveling so we should certainly act in our own defense instead of making deals over terrorist regimes.

dreadnought,

If Russia wants to settle disputes, then proxy power isint the way to go. If we the US used proxy power to our ability with Russia then Cuba and Venezuala would no longer be a port of call for the Russians and three more former soviet blocs would already be in NATO.

In other words it need not be this way but this is the road they are traveling so we should certainly act in our own defense instead of making deals over terrorist regimes.

hahaha, dread, surely you don't think the US is out of the proxy game!

what is israel and taiwan if not proxies? similarly, we weren't exactly shy in 2003 about potentially turning iraq into a proxy; and i have high doubts the europeans would have troops in afghanistan were it not for US will.

the use of proxies is completely understandable-- using others to raise the costs of your adversary, or even potential adversaries.

the issue here is not so much proxy use but what people are actually doing in response to the BMD shift. to my eyes, nothing has really changed, which sort of invalidates the position that the BMD shift was a craven bit of appeasement that would Doom Us All.

as for putin complaining, who cares? talk is cheap. it's when they actually DO something that it starts being a headache for us.

hahaha, dread, surely you don't think the US is out of the proxy game!

*Not at all my friend, we have no choice but to continue. The sad part for all is our proxies dont threaten whiping other countries from the map.

I have no fear of Iran, Its Iran that should fear our proxies.)

dreadnought,

The sad part for all is our proxies dont threaten whiping other countries from the map.

yeah, our proxies don't threaten, they tend to just about do it (see: israel)

as for iran or another russian proxy walking off the reservation, the story of the Alpha Group should be a good corrective.

Originally Posted by astralis

dreadnought,



yeah, our proxies don't threaten, they tend to just about do it (see: israel)

as for iran or another russian proxy walking off the reservation, the story of the Alpha Group should be a good corrective.

Agreed, Tom Clancy would be proud.)

As expected since autumn,we're now involved.Romania approves US missile defence shield - Telegraph
and Romania in New US Missile Defence Shield.

The Russian response is moderate and it will probably remain as such.The public opinion is largely favorable,except for some old Reds and some political opponents of the President who can't seem to grasp that there may be national interests at stake.I'm glad for the Patriot btn's that will come with the interceptors and the modernization and expansion of our bases and training infrastructure.It will also bring a higher level of alert in the Army and security services that will protect the US troops and bases.

Originally Posted by Mihais

there may be national interests at stake.

Were was the national interest when we bought this junk ?

File:Romanian MIM-23 HAWK.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What really annoys me is the fact that we parade this as a new step toward interoperability and modernization , when in fact this missile system should have bean phased out 16 years ago.

1979,here's a good one.You can only see those at parades.It is usually mothballed.That junk of a system is not even studied at AF Academy by future AD officers.That's why I mentioned the US Patriot btn's.Because our own AD is in dire straits.AFAIK it covers only Bucharest(and a more useless objective they couldn't find).It's a shameful situation and I hate to see foreign troops doing what we should ourselves.Even if those troops happen to be our current big brother.BTW those ADA and the rest of the US troops are a nothing but my presumtion at the moment.Of course what the pres. announced needs to be ratified(no problems here),infrastructure needs to be built etc...What pi...s me is that our only contribution will be geography,real estate and bodyguard service for the US troops.