GEORGIA AN EXAMPLE !!! The BEAR is out of HIBERNATION

**~~raghavmundra200~~** · 15 Aug 08,, 08:28

IS South Ossentia really an important factor for this war or this is an excuse to renforce the Russian hegemony in the Central Asian region and to quell the pro western idealogy in the region.
Georgia is so pro American that it even has a road named on George W. Bush and is the most strategically placed to form an alternate route for central asian energy resources.Already more than 1% of the world's total oil and gas production passes through its network of pipelines and black sea ports which make ways through the Turkish straits and than open sea.
After bringing back the Russia from the brinks of chaos and anarchy VLADIMIR PUTIN decided to make Russia a geopolitical power again. Boom in the natural resources was the God's blessing for him.He sensed the Western paranoia about the 1973 Arab oil embargo and took lesson from the oil diplomacy.He decided to take Russia into oil and gas diplomacy and was greatly successful. 40% of western gas comes from or through the Russia pipelines as well as it is the second largest producer of black gold. Many baltic states made killings through its pipelines and a big part of their budget comes from Russian pipelines.They were brought under the sphere of Russia.Georgia was and is a threat to Russian oil and gas diplomacy in the central asian region as it makes an alternate route for central asian oil and gas.
With the Americans so called War on Terror their military ability is severely strained. Its ground forces are already commited in IRAQ and it needs Russian help to keep a tab on IRAN. VLADIMIR PUTIN has led the RUSSIAN FEDERATION to a point WHERE EVERYBODY NEEDS RUSSIA FOR SOMETHING WHILE RUSSIAN DOESNT NEED ANYBODY FOR ANYTHING. It can follow any policy and their opposition can do nothing other than taking a bitter pill!!

AMERICAN AND WESTERN EUROPE NEEDS RUSSIAN OIL AND GAS
CHINA & INDIA NEEDS OIL,GAS AS WELL AS WEAPONS
IRAN NEEDS WEAPONS
BALTICS NEED MONEY FROM PIPELINES

VLADIMIR PUTIN like any Russian leader since the time of Napoleon has a paranoia for a invasion and took steps to protect Mother Rodina from invasions found themselves under encirclement from all sides by NATO or CHINA. He decided to quell anti Russia feelings from former regions of soviet influence and decided to discredit the treaties of NATO as just words of politicians.He calculated that US at this juncture cannot oppose the Russia militarily , economically and geopolitically as American economy is in delicate situation due to subprime crisis ;its military is in middle east.
HIGH from its successful campaign for Adjaria ,Georgian President launched the ill-fated,ill-managed and ill-advised campaign for South Ossentia and the Russians were ready to assert itself!!

As predicted by PUTIN and MEDVEDEV the Americans and Europeans reacted in an entirely predictable manner. First by words accompanied by a lot of media speculations and call for diplomatic solution.Ultimately American President Bush said that Americans are not fighting with Georgians and the show was over.Russia is now a geopolitical power and all the former territories of soviet union is now thinking their foreign policy again.Poland signed the missile shield in return for patriot missile system while baltic states are discussing are in an underground discussion discussing what might be the repeating of the western betrayal.The only state going to gain will be Belarus and to some extent Kazakhstan.

**Dreadnought** · 15 Aug 08,, 20:37

NEWS FLASH....The west didnt abandon anyone. LOOK BEYOND.

**reve893** · 16 Aug 08,, 01:01

I agree, Russia has been waiting for the perfect moment to unveil to the World that it is still a highly significant power. That they are able to take just up against anyone, and are not going to be forgotten so easily.
It used many weapons that were unecessary and knew that no one would react. I think it is time we get out of Iraq and start rearming, and preparing for a war against Russia. If we do, then Russia would be less likely to attack anywhere else or start a war.
Hard times seem to be approaching.

**Eugene120** · 18 Aug 08,, 06:39

Why are you so sure that Russia is attacker in this conflict?

**Repatriated Canuck** · 18 Aug 08,, 07:27

Oh I didn't realise that Georgia had invaded Russia?

Is Moscow burning?

**Eugene120** · 18 Aug 08,, 07:37

Oh, perhaps Tbilisi is burning? hmm, I remember Belgrad burning in a similar situation.
There are two parts of the story of "kgb/soviet/communist invasion" (these words get so popular with western people nowdays).
Part 1. Defending russian peacekeepers and those ossetians who have russian passports. That is on the terretory of SO.
Part 2. Neutralising strategic military points in neighbouring with SO regions. One can remember a couple of examples in recent history. Personally I can't imagine how the artillery and air attacks (georgina attacks on SO in our case) can be stopped without destroying key military points outside the attacked region.

**zraver** · 18 Aug 08,, 07:47

Originally Posted by Eugene120

Oh, perhaps Tbilisi is burning? hmm, I remember Belgrad burning in a similar situation.
There are two parts of the story of "kgb/soviet/communist invasion" (these words get so popular with western people nowdays).
Part 1. Defending russian peacekeepers and those ossetians who have russian passports. That is on the terretory of SO.
Part 2. Neutralising strategic military points in neighbouring with SO regions. One can remember a couple of examples in recent history. Personally I can't imagine how the artillery and air attacks (georgina attacks on SO in our case) can be stopped without destroying key military points outside the attacked region.

And what pray tell do rail bridges and coast guard cutters have to do with that? Russian troops have done more than dismantle Georgia's military they are set to ruin its economy and flatten the barriers to smuggling that made SO and Russian mobsters rich.

**Eugene120** · 18 Aug 08,, 08:03

The cutters illegely entered the security zone. Moreover they were approaching russina patrol at high speed and did not react on any warnings. One of them was destroyed.
I have no approved information on any destroyed rail bridges, do you have it?

Did Gerogia have any economy?! Huh. You may be talking bout the money from oil transit? So, as far as I know oil transporting network was not touched by russian fire at all.
Smuggling? And what exactly you think they smuggle? Is there anything really worth it?

**BFG** · 18 Aug 08,, 09:07

Sorry for my poor English (never practiced it before)/

I live in Msk. I have my own business (e-learning, CRM-ERP systems). I do have an acces to all european channels, I watch american news reports without any restrictions from my gov. It's not too hard to see how your people is manipulated. Compare it: 3-4 same "vids of war", repeating "Russia invades Georgia", Bush telling "We won't let Russians to split Georgia.. bla-bla-bla.

Compare it to our news: Ossetians telling LIVE about georgian tanks smashing pregnant women, killing childrens (they say, these were drunked foreign mercenaries on georgia's side), dozens DIFFERENT vids of dead bodies, our killed peacekeepers... I inderstand about propaganda, but our propaganda has much more filmed facts behind, compared to CNN's. I hope they all will be presented in International court about Saakasvili's genocide.

Russia was alway strong enough to be fully independant, espesially feom USA. This situation is NORMAL. Why do you all claim about it?

**zraver** · 18 Aug 08,, 09:17

Originally Posted by Eugene120

The cutters illegely entered the security zone. Moreover they were approaching russina patrol at high speed and did not react on any warnings. One of them was destroyed.

I am not talking about Georgian naval vessels, but about cutters sunk in port.

I have no approved information on any destroyed rail bridges, do you have it?

approved? hahahaha, how about CNN. Granted not Kremlin approved so you'll call it a lie

YouTube - The crisis continues

Did Gerogia have any economy?! Huh. You may be talking bout the money from oil transit? So, as far as I know oil transporting network was not touched by russian fire at all.
Smuggling? And what exactly you think they smuggle? Is there anything really worth it?

do some research.

BFG, if you don't see how your being spoon fed images and stories to shap your thoughts I am sorry.

**Eugene120** · 18 Aug 08,, 09:30

I am sorry if you really STILL think we here have no access to foreign media.

Are you really serious when you claim CNN as an example of an unbiased source of true information?
You have to understand one thing. Here in Russia most people (except the elderly) are used to not to believe national media. So it's normal for us to take almost every word from them criticaly. That is what makes us search for alternative sources of information.
So this is all about your confidence that we care about "kremlin approval".

ps. my internet here (oh, you might think "here in Russia", but I meant "at this particular PC"

) is rather limited, some sites banned - so I can't use all the sources of info and quote them at the moment. sorry

**BD1** · 18 Aug 08,, 10:03

is it the same Rus. media that showed it´s unbiasedness in Apr.2007. And can you really say that people are not affected by this puke? Come on , my friend went to St.Petersburg to scientific conference and was approached by Rus. scientists who actually asked him that is it true that it is forbidden to use Russian language in public - as in public transport? Scientists, supposedly INTELLIGENT people asking this ?

**BFG** · 18 Aug 08,, 10:07

Originally Posted by zraver

BFG, if you don't see how your being spoon fed images and stories to shap your thoughts I am sorry.

I noticed it before in my business, and i see it now here: You can not understand some words from the first time. How many more times you need to be explained that: I have full access to any MassMedia in the world, i can compare the "truth" from both sides and make some own decisions. And it's clear for me where the real propaganda is: like it or not.

**BFG** · 18 Aug 08,, 10:20

Originally Posted by braindead

is it the same Rus. media that showed itґs unbiasedness in Apr.2007. And can you really say that people are not affected by this puke? Come on , my friend went to St.Petersburg to scientific conference and was approached by Rus. scientists who actually asked him that is it true that it is forbidden to use Russian language in public - as in public transport? Scientists, supposedly INTELLIGENT people asking this ?

Oh, the rumors... "Intelligent scientist" is not really interested in Estonian internal politics.

**Stan187** · 18 Aug 08,, 10:38

Originally Posted by Eugene120

Oh, perhaps Tbilisi is burning? hmm, I remember Belgrad burning in a similar situation.
There are two parts of the story of "kgb/soviet/communist invasion" (these words get so popular with western people nowdays).
Part 1. Defending russian peacekeepers and those ossetians who have russian passports. That is on the terretory of SO.
Part 2. Neutralising strategic military points in neighbouring with SO regions. One can remember a couple of examples in recent history. Personally I can't imagine how the artillery and air attacks (georgina attacks on SO in our case) can be stopped without destroying key military points outside the attacked region.

Peacekeepers are by world standards accepted to be from 3rd parties that are at least somewhat impartial. Those Russians were by such definition not peacekeepers. How did South Ossetians who don't reside in Russia get Russian passports and why? OH, that's right, so you'd have an excuse to come "defend them."