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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex_Ivanov View Post
    It is called demilitarization.
    So next time Russia doesn't have to pay as much blood to rape Georgia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zraver View Post
    So next time Russia doesn't have to pay as much blood to rape Georgia.
    So there won't be 'next time'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray View Post
    Taking the Roki tunnel in a conventional way at the start of a campaign is not feasible.

    It has to be a Commando type of action, give it any name!
    Nobody tried anything....

    Sir, do you think an air strike (couple of KAB-500) could have blocked the tonnel for a couple of days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex_Ivanov View Post
    It is called demilitarization.
    Hi Alex, the demilitarization is worthless shortlived tacktics.... in the history we know there were cases when demilitarized nation could remillitarize if it really wanted to revenge...

    Probably, Georgia is not really a case for which Russia should be afraid of millitary revenge... but I see that for USA it would cost really little to REMILLITARISE them. What is few billions for US budget? They have loads of old but working hardware which they can dump into Georgia.... => it is remillitarized back!

    What is the achievement of the demillitarization then? Just political show off for internal use?

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    Howdy, Garry!
    I suggest you reading this
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    A big thread with discussion about various options military for Georgia, including those considering Roki tunnel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garry View Post
    Hi Alex, the demilitarization is worthless shortlived tacktics.... in the history we know there were cases when demilitarized nation could remillitarize if it really wanted to revenge...

    Probably, Georgia is not really a case for which Russia should be afraid of millitary revenge... but I see that for USA it would cost really little to REMILLITARISE them. What is few billions for US budget? They have loads of old but working hardware which they can dump into Georgia.... => it is remillitarized back!

    What is the achievement of the demillitarization then? Just political show off for internal use?
    1. IMHO the main idea is that the harder it would be to militarize Georgia - the better. US can remilitarize Georgia comparatevily quicky, but nobody's gonna make this job easy.
    2. I agree that for the most part its a pilitical show, but i doubt that its intended to internal use only. Russian mass-media don't really concentrate on this issue. My guess in that Georgia itself is a main intended audience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garry View Post
    Nobody tried anything....

    Sir, do you think an air strike (couple of KAB-500) could have blocked the tonnel for a couple of days?
    Hell, I move two gasoline tanker trucks in there, light it up. That much gasoline. The only safe way to fight that is to let it burn and that would take a couple of days. After that, another day or two to repair the concrete and you're good to go without destroying the tunnel.
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    I am very sceptical of air strikes being the be all and end all!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex_Ivanov View Post
    So there won't be 'next time'.
    So you think Russia is going to occupy Georgia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zraver View Post
    So you think Russia is going to occupy Georgia?
    I don't think occupation is the only way to prevent such Georgian actions in the future. The time Georgia needs to get new military hardware is going to be peace time for Caucasus. And I also hope they would think twice next time. So there won't be 'next time'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garry View Post
    Hi Alex, the demilitarization is worthless shortlived tacktics.... in the history we know there were cases when demilitarized nation could remillitarize if it really wanted to revenge...

    Probably, Georgia is not really a case for which Russia should be afraid of millitary revenge... but I see that for USA it would cost really little to REMILLITARISE them. What is few billions for US budget? They have loads of old but working hardware which they can dump into Georgia.... => it is remillitarized back!

    What is the achievement of the demillitarization then? Just political show off for internal use?
    It’s true that USA could easily rearm Georgia, should it desire to show direct military support against Russia. Heck, USA could just ask Georgia to host a military base or two on its territory even without accepting it into NATO. But is it really in her best interests to get this much involved?

    As far as we know, Georgia did spend its own money for previous military build-up and might be anxious to do same again, knowing how easy it all goes up in flames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex_Ivanov View Post
    I don't think occupation is the only way to prevent such Georgian actions in the future. The time Georgia needs to get new military hardware is going to be peace time for Caucasus. And I also hope they would think twice next time. So there won't be 'next time'.
    Do you really think there is going to be peace with Russia using its expat minority populations to "legalize" meddling in other nations? Georgia is not the first, only the first to come to a shooting war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zraver View Post
    Do you really think there is going to be peace with Russia using its expat minority populations to "legalize" meddling in other nations? Georgia is not the first, only the first to come to a shooting war.
    Magically, Azerbaijan and Armenia (Georgia's geopolitical cousins) have been doing just fine doing their own thing without constantly screwing with Moscow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brokeraz View Post
    Magically, Azerbaijan and Armenia (Georgia's geopolitical cousins) have been doing just fine doing their own thing without constantly screwing with Moscow.
    But yet the Baltics and Ukraine tried to cast off the shadows of communism and Russian overlordship and had energy supplies cut off or threatened with war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zraver View Post
    But yet the Baltics and Ukraine tried to cast off the shadows of communism and Russian overlordship and had energy supplies cut off or threatened with war.
    Yes, it's a dance. Baltics and Ukraine *f with Russia with encouragement/aid from the U.S. and this is the political platform they win local elections with. The point is there's no real need for it. What it does is destabilize the region with the policy "expectation" that this will create internal turmoil and keep Russia down.

    Fair enough, but at some point it will lead to what we're seeing in Georgia. It's just not very smart.

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