Thread: GEORGIA AN EXAMPLE !!! The BEAR is out of HIBERNATION

Originally Posted by Garry

If you think that Saakashvilly suddenly launched UNPLANNED operation then you are probably naive. NOTHING indicates that this Georgian operation was unprepared.

Hence I don't see any EVIDENCE of the widelly distributed theory Saakashvilly was PROVOKED FOR A UNPREPAIRED ATTACK.

Everything what Georgian army was doing was a planned and prepared operation....

Please fill free to prove me the opposite (I am really open for discussion)

Georgia did not prepare fall back positions, strengthen the Abkhazia front, pull troops out of Iraq, sortie their navy, call up reserves or any of the things we would expect to see with a plan to go to war. What we see is a minially prepared army bust into SO. The artillery might already have been in place given the Georgians and SO insurgents were engaging in artillery strikes on one another. The troops got moved up in July when Russia moved troops to the border. There is almost no part of the attack that look either planned or well thought out.

One does not have to curl in or reel in forces all over the world to invade.

Anyone who understand warfare and higher defence planning would surely know that such activities is a sure giveaway!

The US did not denude its forces overseas when they invade Iraq!

Pakistan did not withdraw its UN peacekeepers when they went into Kargil!

Thus, to believe that Georgia went in unprepared and impetuously would surely be a cuckooland stuff!

Forcing the untrue as true thinking others have no clue of how a military functions!

Originally Posted by Ray

One does not have to curl in or reel in forces all over the world to invade.

Anyone who understand warfare and higher defence planning would surely know that such activities is a sure giveaway!

The US did not denude its forces overseas when they invade Iraq!

Pakistan did not withdraw its UN peacekeepers when they went into Kargil!

Thus, to believe that Georgia went in unprepared and impetuously would surely be a cuckooland stuff!

Pulling troops out of Georgia is just one sign. But for your information since you seemed to have missed it, in 1991 the US moved heavy troops from Europe. What abuot the lack of back stopping and preparing for the conflicts spread/Russian counter attack? The lack of a plan to close the Roki tunnel etc. Where is the evidence Georgia spent more than just a few days planning this?

Originally Posted by zraver

Georgia did not prepare fall back positions, strengthen the Abkhazia front, pull troops out of Iraq, sortie their navy, call up reserves or any of the things we would expect to see with a plan to go to war.

Yep, they did it a "sudden operation". yet it was not that sudden for Russians. The Abkhazia front was strengthen..... but then abandonned when Russian troops were set in.

Originally Posted by zraver

What we see is a minially prepared army bust into SO. The artillery might already have been in place given the Georgians and SO insurgents were engaging in artillery strikes on one another. The troops got moved up in July when Russia moved troops to the border. There is almost no part of the attack that look either planned or well thought out.

I agree here completelly - the operation in SO was millitarilly prepared.

The logistical part of the war: Georgian operation involved significant artillery barrages - REPORTED BY WESTERN MEDIA. Besides the MLRS barrages they were using most of their tube artillery. All the targets were set EARLIER by UAVs and other recognaisance. HOW MANY TRUCKS OF SHELLS/ROCKETS DID THEY BRING TO THE OPERATION? You know the weight of the rounds.... you are the tanker.

The land operation involved 50 tanks and more than hundred APCs (many of them burned in SO). The Tshinvali assault involved the force of 3500 soldiers.

Originally Posted by zraver

The artillery might already have been in place given the Georgians and SO insurgents were engaging in artillery strikes on one another. The troops got moved up in July when Russia moved troops to the border. There is almost no part of the attack that look either planned or well thought out.

The amount of artillery in the conflict zone by Georgians and Osetians and Russians was limited but the number of allowed heavy weapons in the conflict zone according to the peacekeeping agreements of the 1992. So all additional artillery was brought there.... not that it was stationed there!

The attack started on the FIRST day of Olimpics... Zraver, you either take facts or stick to beliefs... but as a soldier you should be realistically understanding that Georgian offensive on Tshinvali was prepared...

I agree though that only thing this plan lacked was LOGIC.... they should have focused on Roki Tonnel!!!