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About LinkBacksIn your own backyard. But since its your own country and government spoon-feeding it to you, I guess it is easier to digest.Originally Posted by BFG
Perhaps Russia was independent, its too bad your news media is not.
In Iran people belive pepsi stands for pay each penny save israel. -urmomma158
The Russian Navy is still a threat, but only to those unlucky enough to be Russian sailors.-highsea
In your own backyard. But since its your own country and government spoon-feeding it to you, I guess it is easier to digest.
In Iran people belive pepsi stands for pay each penny save israel. -urmomma158
The Russian Navy is still a threat, but only to those unlucky enough to be Russian sailors.-highsea
The trouble was that they were interested....
The Rus. propaganda goes in several different routes -
State propaganda - Foreign office, state media, Duma members, President etc. etc. The writers these texts knows or guesses the truth, but serves as it is suitable for their purposes. This is pure propaganda war , based on ´common people knowledge´ and is usually aimed at western media.
Rus. mainstream media - there is wild competition between rus. media and as everywhere what gets into news, is not decided on their truthfullness, but for it´s market value. The more scandalous, bloodier the better.
the man on the street - say whatever you want , it´s still ´homo sovieticus´, they have their opinions and knowledge from Sov.era and it reflects on their writings. Most of it cames from Sov. era history lessons from school. This is usually rather mythological and is modified to their convinience (a la WW2 started in 22 June 1941, Baltics were not occupied, mighty west is trying to devour Russia etc. etc.)
The result is like on poster on local forum described meeting with a old lady in bus - She told how she after graduating from university toured the Sov.Union, starting from Kuriles and ended in Est.
´You are strange people, strange and funny. I come here in 1950 to the city of Pärnu. Workplace gives me in a nice neighbourhood a nice apartment, but it still has all furniture in. And not only furniture - carpets on the floor, clothes on hangers. I heard that the former owners travelled to Siberia in 1949. Don´t know why they went there - to earn money or went to tour - i heard they were musicians - but they didn´t return. Should have at least cleaned their stuff before, but no...´
If i only was so smart yesterday as my wife is today
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If i only was so smart yesterday as my wife is today
I repeat 3rd time: I inderstand, that our mass media are not independent. That's why i'm using all sources of information i can get.
The problem is - all yours MM are dependet too. And you can't even imagine how much of crowd control skills are used during last century to build nowdays attitude to all russians in general.
I'm trying to keep an as unbiased point of view as I possibly can... but let's call a spade a spade.Part 1. Defending russian peacekeepers and those ossetians who have russian passports.
Russia handed out those passports, like a pub hands out flyers, for the sole purpose of having a pretext to interfere and intervene in the affairs of Georgia since its independence.
I repeat: like it or not. But i did a close research of this conflict and my opinion is that USA became too ponderous in their attempt to gain politic control over russia (next target - china, the rest of the world is theirs already), fully ignoring common sense and financing pro nazi regime of Saakashvily.
BTW Mr. Saakashvily idiolize Iosif Stalin and it's not even a secret. His Revolution of Roses started in Gori, from his monument. Stalin's original name: Iosif Dzhougashvily, he is georgian, born in Gori. The darkest part of my country's history (cold war, repressions of people, millons of dead in WW2) was his own "achievment".
Last edited by BFG; 18 Aug 08, at 13:15.
It might be something new for you, but Russia is a 3rd party for Georgian-Ossetian conflict. And the peacekeepers didnot appear there yesterday, they reside there under international argeement since 1992.
The history of giving them passports is not suck clear. In fact, relations between N. and S. Ossetia are very interconnected. There's no secret that people there often travel to Russia, work periodically there (you see, one must have a russian passport to work in Russia) I can't exclude that passports were given them in a simplified procedure, and perhaps to some extend by the reason you've given - to have that people closer to Russia. But your conclusion after these facts is too straight-forward.
Nevertheless even ONE, though you dislike the definition, russian peacekeeper is attacked and can't resist the fire by himself, in my opinion it is enough to send him support.
Last edited by Eugene120; 18 Aug 08, at 12:56.
The irony is: Ossetians (and Georgians too) need passport to work in Russia without problems: this is the only possible way of living. Corruption in these regions is too strog, so i know about selling russian passports for about 3000$. But it was not 'planned assymilation program', it's common sense, the most half of Georgia's and Ossetia's economy is dependent from russia.
The words youchoose to describe a given situation will often reveal your underlying partisan ship. Your original post that I responded too showed you came firmly down on the side painted by the Russian government. The vast majority of the media has condemmed Russia, but your language looks like your trying to win brownie points in a nationalism class or something.
Do you mean by saying it that truth is a mathematical average of what defferent information sources tell you?
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I compared facts, examined fotos and timings. It's not hard to see, that CNN has nothing to show, not much of any vids or fotos. Reuters was revealed with their fake fotos 'of brave georgean troops', CNN showing Georgians shelling Tskhinval commenting it "Russians attacked Georgia" and there are many examples of double standarts or lie...
Oh please! You mean that "vast majority of the media" showing the same vids naming georgean shelling as "Russian attack" and Mr. Saakashvili acting like a hollywood star, are the judges to condamn? None of them had access to information. What has been shown - propaganda. And soon we will see facts. I think Bush's and his allies's time is over with this small conflict. No one can hide so many bodies. And i doubt he will be supported by his own people.
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Try to compare some posts in web: pro Georgeans are written in perfect english - professional work. I think Saak made some blogger-army with Bush's help. Not a fresh idea, but quite powerfull. It's simple to find these blogo-troopers: lofty tone, the perfect transcription, long and lengthy sentences. Like Saak himself on TV.
Not exactly. As was pointed out already many times, in 1990s Russia, as official successor of USSR automatically granted citizenship to everyone who had soviet passport and has not accepted citizenship of any other state yet.
Ossetians were citizens of SU, and having soviet passports they were free to decide. They chose Russia and according to our law, got Russian passports. If you say Russia shouldn't have given those passports to Ossetians, you have to explain why in your opinion Russia should violate her own law, and prefer one person over another. Shouldn't everyone be equal for law, regardless of nationality, location, etc?
Lets comapre facts, western media when they could get away from thier Russian handles have only been able to verify 44 deaths of civilians in Tsvalli, the town is mostly standing not Stalingrad lite as portrayted. Russia ble wup rail bridges, sank coast guard cutters, has yet to pull back, is openly calling for the annexation of 2 regions of Georgia. Vidoes show Russian troops usin BM-13 Grads in Goergia, Russia has fired SS-21 terror missiles, destroyed police stations, allowed looting, use dslave labor and the list goes on. How much of that is being reported in the Russian press?
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