Thread: GEORGIA AN EXAMPLE !!! The BEAR is out of HIBERNATION

Originally Posted by Ray

Racist?

You have to be a superior race to claim that dubious distinction.

No you don't, assuming their is a superior race. I do not believe there is such. You accused me of thinkign India is some how backwards. where did I ever imply that?

Unlike you, in India we call a spade a spade and not mouth meaningless PC words for public consumption and yet have the same racial arrogance within!!

You really don't have a clue about my nature. My thesis will serve as evidence, I can forward you the work that serves as its basis. I am currently researching how the inequalities of education funding between white and black school districts contributes to keeping the black community locked into the cycle of poverty.

[quote[]You are enriching - goodwill and shutting out dissent as you are trying with me!

They might have medicines for your paranoia. I am not trying to shut you out.

If only you read what you write you would have understood. Your arrogance blinds you! Please note, I have picked cotton!



It has more influence though not your way - uber alles! Can't say Seig Heil these days. Politically suicidal, no matter how much you would want it to be so!

reading comprehension is not your strong suite is it? Getting upset because of your endless insulting of America and thus by extension Americans with the same broad brush is hardly uber alles.

Take your funds away. Try it and you will be as important as a banana republic! You are doing no favour to anyone. You are doing yourself a favour. Understand that!

Research Bretton Woods, then tell me what favor America did for itself.

Do you have a doubt?

I think you don't read. Read Cheney DPG and his National Engender Policy! Spend sometime reading and understanding rather than grandstanding in a vaccum!



You are so naive!

You thought that was due to Christian compassion?

It was done because it was the right thing to do. In particular Bush tried to short change the Tsunami relief and the American public united with one voice and demanded real relief for the victims. In the end Australia gave more, but they are much closer, no one else even came close.

What do you think the US is - Christ?

Equate that in political terms, my boy.

It makes the population beholden to the US and the also their govt!

How is an Iranian earthquake victim beholden to the US government? You've made the assertion, can you support it? When disaster strikes the US sends aid even to our enemies. No strings no obligation.

You seem to have no clue about how countries function!

I never said it dissapeared, I said it was reformed. From President Ford until Bush no foreign leader was assassinated, no mercenary/expat armies funded by the US invaded other countries. The ISI cannot say the same.

NO Gitmo is all about Freedom and Democracy!

Gitmo is a travesty.

You should know. You claim to be the Smart Pants!



It again shows what a greenhorn you are and what pretensions you portray!

More insults instead of debate, typical.

Just my point.

They stand as impotent as the US in Georgia!

Russia gains slivers of Georgia akin to taking a pawn (SO and Abkhazia), but now the Bishop and knight (Poland/Ukraine)are exposed and about to be lost.

You are right. I don't like arrogant toffee nosed. blind and wimpish cry babies, be they Americans or Martians.

I feel sorry for you with your self hate issues then.

I have not attached any labels to you. You cried out aloud for these honours! I don't have to support anything, your posts supports it and saves me the bother!

Oh yes you have. I'd figured a brigadier would at least be able to own his own actions.

Really?

How charming.

I am fed up at refreshing your memory! Do you suffer from Alzheimer? Here is what you said:

This board has many non American members.

What is so special about showing "disrespect to the boards American members" unless you mean that American members are uber alles and nio disrespect to them is allowed?!

Your attacks on America are not founded in fact, so your vileness is an insult to the American members because you use such a wide brush. I'd mad ethe same complaints vs others insulting without supporting evidence people of other non-American nationalities.

May I request you to read what you write and not just take off like a misguided SCUD missile?

Your blind, insane and illogical ramblings is making you appear to be comical in relief!

Do you ever adress pointds, or do you always resort to ad hominem?

Do you want me to put the names of US athletes who have lost out their medals because of doping?

Where was your recent discovered morality and self righteousness then?

They cheated, they lost their medals, if anything that puts the US on form ground to demand the same standards be applied as required by the charter.
There is now a former multi-medal winner in jail for things resulting from her doping.

Is your name Mr Purer than the Snow of Mount Etna. Unlike others, you add misplaced arrogance!

Give the world break, dear man!

yet more ad hominems.

And you manufacture smoke cannisters, right?


You are one of the most biased people I have ever come across.



I posts stand as witness.

True, in your perception, this is an American board and unsavoury statements which are facts is not acceptable and are insults!

I am glad that the wise and fair men of American and WAB has not made you a Moderator or else this would have been no better than S-2's favourite forum! )

And more ad hominems.

Originally Posted by cyppok

I can't see Ukraine joining Nato, sorry just cant envision it. The split in the country is so large that the likelihood of an actual divison of Ukraine in two would be much increased.

The ideal solution would be a finlandisation of Ukraine and Georgia to act as a pillow between the EU/NATO and Russia. (just like North Korea) that way that would ease the tensions and clearly draw the lines, which was the problem and the reason why Saakashvilli embarked on this adventure, hoping that his allies in the West would react if Russia made a move.

Originally Posted by snapper

Dziekie bardzo!

Your welcome

Zraer,

Not a single issue you could counter.

Your remained the pathetic whiner and I have all sympathies for you!

You should be in the UNSC. Others would win hands down!

God Bless You.

Originally Posted by snapper

Ummm, forgive me, when did Georgia attack Russia? When was a Georgian soldier on Russian sovereign territory? Need a history book...

I thought South Ossetia was NOT Russia but evidently I am wrong :(

While I recognise that North Ossetia part of the Russian Federation since when was South Ossetia? Please send me a link!

It is akin to Poland contributing peacekeepers to a UN force then invading a country when the ceasefire breaks down. It is by definition risky to be a peacekeeper and one cannot rely on the peace being kept. However one does not normaly call ones native army in to occupy any transgressor of the peace and occupy the transgressor with ones own native army...or should we set some rules for peacekeepers?

And once again - Russian peacekeepers didn't invade the Georgian territory. They were dividing two warring opposite sides. The peacekeepers were situated in the conflict zone. They were situated there according the peace agreement which Georgia signed - after lost war. They were situated there according to special rules which defined the places where they have to stand, weapons which they can have, obligations which they have to execute and so on. Georgia lost war in 1992 and agreed with the presence of the peacekeepers, these peacekeepers, not any others.

Originally Posted by snapper

No matter what happened and who started what it would seem to me that the job of a 'peacekeeper' is to get out of way when the peace is broken

No matter?
No matter who started killing people?
No matter who killed our soldiers?
No matter who caused 34 thousand people to leave their homeland and seek shelter in Russia?
No matter who burnt the town of Tskhinval?

But what is the matter in that case?

Originally Posted by snapper

(you have failed)

The Ossetians don't think so.

Originally Posted by snapper

and not to call in his/her national army that then occupies another country. With 'peacekeepers' like this who needs enemies?

Noone occupies another country. Peacekeepers restored control over the conflict zone.

People,

Please control your emotions. Whatever is being said here AFFECTS NOTHING. We are not decision makers at any level. Whether you support or decry the current situation changes nothing about the current situation.

We are here to understand, hopefully both sides of the issue. Wild ass guesses and unsubstantiated bellicose does not help towards that point. All the points are being challenged and hopefully, they will be answered but do note that these are just words with no effect on the outcome.

Calm yourselves. It ain't worth an ulcer.

"No matter who killed our soldiers?"

Ooh they were soldiers? Not 'peacekeepers'?

34,000 people left South Ossetia? Show me the list please. You may exclude Mickey Mouse.

Forgive me but I heard report of Russian soldiers (or would they be peacekeepers?) in Georgia, but perhaps that is Western propaganda.

I could be sarcastic but I shall answer seriously Sir:

Evidently Russia has the right to aid it's ally and should do so. Occupying Georgian territory to negate a future threat is debatable.

My main contention though is why post Russian peacekeepers in an area where they are not welcome by one side? The point of a peacekeeping force is surely to be neutral no? While I agree that the Georgians alowed them to do so, if they themselves (the peacekeepers) threaten the peace then they should have called in a truly neutral force and left.

There is no point in a peacekeeper being an ally of one side in a dispute and this it seems was the case.

I think Sir that you regard this small and misguided loss of life only in terms of its immeadiate events. Whilst such matters are important to clarify it is perhaps more revealing to understand they "why?" behind our leaders actions.
I would myself admit that the major strategical importance of Georgia (so far as I see it) is the oil pipeline to the West that does not run through Russia. Russia has now secured both ends of the Roki tunnel and can cut this line anytime it wishes. In the long run the world will continue and all that can be hoped is that sanity prevails.

"Calm yourselves. It ain't worth an ulcer" lol

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

Those are your words, not mine.

The point remains that US policies have been clearly spelled out in congressional reports. Those reports have been analyzed by those whose job is to analyzed those things. Russia has think tanks who does nothing but doing these things.

Thus far, your position is lacking support. You have absolutely no evidence that American policy is now Middle East centric.

I've never said ME is a central priority of US, ever.

Official policies and opinions of analysts do not necessarily equate with what actually happens on the ground. Spell out policies all you want but ultimately there are but a handful of people who get to make those decisions whichever way they please.

"He feels that his opinion is the only valid one and (as you have also found) swiftly resorts to snide remarks..."

Ah...the story of Glyn.

My considerable disdain for this wart on humanity stems from the same affliction for which you so suffer- an inability to construct and source a position.

Poor Glyn can't abide my informed and SOURCED expressions of British armor commanders and their directed operations during W.W.II. Mind you, we're not necessarily discussing policy, just opinion. Mine utilizing British sources and the comments of British officers- both participants and historians.

Glyn? Nothing, nada, nope. Why not? Three possibilities- incapable of sourcing, too lazy, no available substantiation. One or any combination of all three will collapse a position.

Outrageously expressed indignation, certainly. After all, he is a pompous wind-bag of some considerable reputation. Further, I confess to you that Glyn has privately appealed for my support of some exceedingly and personally racially repugnant perspectives. Like you, only his opinion matters. No sources from subject matter experts. Can't remember the last argument with him in which he's offered something better than his feeble brain and too-big mouth.

Just Glyn and his big, bold, beautiful, blue type...

...and now you also. I predict a famous friendship.

Congrats. Quite a club.

Originally Posted by brokeraz

I've never said ME is a central priority of US, ever.

You're the one who stated that the ME is the primary focus.

Originally Posted by brokeraz

Official policies and opinions of analysts do not necessarily equate with what actually happens on the ground. Spell out policies all you want but ultimately there are but a handful of people who get to make those decisions whichever way they please.

What do you think policies are? They are decisions.

S-2: Sir, no offence intended but please resort to fact as a last resource.

"S-2: Sir, no offence intended but please resort to fact as a last resource."

Madamoiselle,

I stand corrected. So noted and I'll march forth a chastened though better man for the experience. Mea culpa brokeraz and Glyn!

Nicely done.

Originally Posted by S-2

"He feels that his opinion is the only valid one and (as you have also found) swiftly resorts to snide remarks..."

Ah...the story of Glyn.

My considerable disdain for this wart on humanity stems from the same affliction for which you so suffer- an inability to construct and source a position.

Poor Glyn can't abide my informed and SOURCED expressions of British armor commanders and their directed operations during W.W.II. Mind you, we're not necessarily discussing policy, just opinion. Mine utilizing British sources and the comments of British officers- both participants and historians.

Glyn? Nothing, nada, nope. Why not? Three possibilities- incapable of sourcing, too lazy, no available substantiation. One or any combination of all three will collapse a position.

Outrageously expressed indignation, certainly. After all, he is a pompous wind-bag of some considerable reputation. Further, I confess to you that Glyn has privately appealed for my support of some exceedingly and personally racially repugnant perspectives. Like you, only his opinion matters. No sources from subject matter experts. Can't remember the last argument with him in which he's offered something better than his feeble brain and too-big mouth.

Just Glyn and his big, bold, beautiful, blue type...

...and now you also. I predict a famous friendship.

Congrats. Quite a club.

You were quite obviously the school sneak at one time and you are now unable to get out of the habit. You toss snide remarks around like confetti, and then resort to outrageous flattery to others. Do you think no-one notices? You have lied to this forum about badgerboy. Your tantrum (after he was safely banned) where you claimed you had not pm'd him reminds me that you once did the same thing to me. Remember? A creeping pm (praising me for being a 'well respected military man and very senior contributor' followed (as we now know is your wont) a few weeks later by a snide attack. You are worthless. All book reading (but only your approved authors - books that others have written don't count) and no experience. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that you suffer from Aspergers condition. Your conceit is boundless. Do us all a favour and clear off!