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    The Russo-Georgian War and the Balance of Power

    The Russo-Georgian War and the Balance of Power

    August 12, 2008 | 1508 GMT

    By George Friedman

    The Russian invasion of Georgia has not changed the balance of power in Eurasia. It simply announced that the balance of power had already shifted. The United States has been absorbed in its wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as potential conflict with Iran and a destabilizing situation in Pakistan. It has no strategic ground forces in reserve and is in no position to intervene on the Russian periphery. This, as we have argued, has opened a window of opportunity for the Russians to reassert their influence in the former Soviet sphere. Moscow did not have to concern itself with the potential response of the United States or Europe; hence, the invasion did not shift the balance of power. The balance of power had already shifted, and it was up to the Russians when to make this public. They did that Aug. 8.

    Let’s begin simply by reviewing the last few days.

    On the night of Thursday, Aug. 7, forces of the Republic of Georgia drove across the border of South Ossetia, a secessionist region of Georgia that has functioned as an independent entity since the fall of the Soviet Union. The forces drove on to the capital, Tskhinvali, which is close to the border. Georgian forces got bogged down while trying to take the city. In spite of heavy fighting, they never fully secured the city, nor the rest of South Ossetia.

    On the morning of Aug. 8, Russian forces entered South Ossetia, using armored and motorized infantry forces along with air power. South Ossetia was informally aligned with Russia, and Russia acted to prevent the region’s absorption by Georgia. Given the speed with which the Russians responded — within hours of the Georgian attack — the Russians were expecting the Georgian attack and were themselves at their jumping-off points. The counterattack was carefully planned and competently executed, and over the next 48 hours, the Russians succeeded in defeating the main Georgian force and forcing a retreat. By Sunday, Aug. 10, the Russians had consolidated their position in South Ossetia.

    On Monday, the Russians extended their offensive into Georgia proper, attacking on two axes. One was south from South Ossetia to the Georgian city of Gori. The other drive was from Abkhazia, another secessionist region of Georgia aligned with the Russians. This drive was designed to cut the road between the Georgian capital of Tbilisi and its ports. By this point, the Russians had bombed the military airfields at Marneuli and Vaziani and appeared to have disabled radars at the international airport in Tbilisi. These moves brought Russian forces to within 40 miles of the Georgian capital, while making outside reinforcement and resupply of Georgian forces extremely difficult should anyone wish to undertake it.

    The Mystery Behind the Georgian Invasion

    In this simple chronicle, there is something quite mysterious: Why did the Georgians choose to invade South Ossetia on Thursday night? There had been a great deal of shelling by the South Ossetians of Georgian villages for the previous three nights, but while possibly more intense than usual, artillery exchanges were routine. The Georgians might not have fought well, but they committed fairly substantial forces that must have taken at the very least several days to deploy and supply. Georgia’s move was deliberate.

    The United States is Georgia’s closest ally. It maintained about 130 military advisers in Georgia, along with civilian advisers, contractors involved in all aspects of the Georgian government and people doing business in Georgia. It is inconceivable that the Americans were unaware of Georgia’s mobilization and intentions. It is also inconceivable that the Americans were unaware that the Russians had deployed substantial forces on the South Ossetian frontier. U.S. technical intelligence, from satellite imagery and signals intelligence to unmanned aerial vehicles, could not miss the fact that thousands of Russian troops were moving to forward positions. The Russians clearly knew the Georgians were ready to move. How could the United States not be aware of the Russians? Indeed, given the posture of Russian troops, how could intelligence analysts have missed the possibility that the Russians had laid a trap, hoping for a Georgian invasion to justify its own counterattack?

    It is very difficult to imagine that the Georgians launched their attack against U.S. wishes. The Georgians rely on the United States, and they were in no position to defy it. This leaves two possibilities. The first is a massive breakdown in intelligence, in which the United States either was unaware of the existence of Russian forces, or knew of the Russian forces but — along with the Georgians — miscalculated Russia’s intentions. The second is that the United States, along with other countries, has viewed Russia through the prism of the 1990s, when the Russian military was in shambles and the Russian government was paralyzed. The United States has not seen Russia make a decisive military move beyond its borders since the Afghan war of the 1970s-1980s. The Russians had systematically avoided such moves for years. The United States had assumed that the Russians would not risk the consequences of an invasion.


    If this was the case, then it points to the central reality of this situation: The Russians had changed dramatically, along with the balance of power in the region. They welcomed the opportunity to drive home the new reality, which was that they could invade Georgia and the United States and Europe could not respond. As for risk, they did not view the invasion as risky. Militarily, there was no counter. Economically, Russia is an energy exporter doing quite well — indeed, the Europeans need Russian energy even more than the Russians need to sell it to them. Politically, as we shall see, the Americans needed the Russians more than the Russians needed the Americans. Moscow’s calculus was that this was the moment to strike. The Russians had been building up to it for months, as we have discussed, and they struck.

    The Western Encirclement of Russia

    To understand Russian thinking, we need to look at two events. The first is the Orange Revolution in Ukraine. From the U.S. and European point of view, the Orange Revolution represented a triumph of democracy and Western influence. From the Russian point of view, as Moscow made clear, the Orange Revolution was a CIA-funded intrusion into the internal affairs of Ukraine, designed to draw Ukraine into NATO and add to the encirclement of Russia. U.S. Presidents George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton had promised the Russians that NATO would not expand into the former Soviet Union empire.


    That promise had already been broken in 1998 by NATO’s expansion to Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic — and again in the 2004 expansion, which absorbed not only the rest of the former Soviet satellites in what is now Central Europe, but also the three Baltic states, which had been components of the Soviet Union.


    The Russians had tolerated all that, but the discussion of including Ukraine in NATO represented a fundamental threat to Russia’s national security. It would have rendered Russia indefensible and threatened to destabilize the Russian Federation itself. When the United States went so far as to suggest that Georgia be included as well, bringing NATO deeper into the Caucasus, the Russian conclusion — publicly stated — was that the United States in particular intended to encircle and break Russia.

    The second and lesser event was the decision by Europe and the United States to back Kosovo’s separation from Serbia. The Russians were friendly with Serbia, but the deeper issue for Russia was this: The principle of Europe since World War II was that, to prevent conflict, national borders would not be changed. If that principle were violated in Kosovo, other border shifts — including demands by various regions for independence from Russia — might follow. The Russians publicly and privately asked that Kosovo not be given formal independence, but instead continue its informal autonomy, which was the same thing in practical terms. Russia’s requests were ignored.


    From the Ukrainian experience, the Russians became convinced that the United States was engaged in a plan of strategic encirclement and strangulation of Russia. From the Kosovo experience, they concluded that the United States and Europe were not prepared to consider Russian wishes even in fairly minor affairs. That was the breaking point.If Russian desires could not be accommodated even in a minor matter like this, then clearly Russia and the West were in conflict. For the Russians, as we said, the question was how to respond. Having declined to respond in Kosovo, the Russians decided to respond where they had all the cards: in South Ossetia.

    Moscow had two motives, the lesser of which was as a tit-for-tat over Kosovo. If Kosovo could be declared independent under Western sponsorship, then South Ossetia and Abkhazia, the two breakaway regions of Georgia, could be declared independent under Russian sponsorship. Any objections from the United States and Europe would simply confirm their hypocrisy. This was important for internal Russian political reasons, but the second motive was far more important.

    Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin once said that the fall of the Soviet Union was a geopolitical disaster. This didn’t mean that he wanted to retain the Soviet state; rather, it meant that the disintegration of the Soviet Union had created a situation in which Russian national security was threatened by Western interests. As an example, consider that during the Cold War, St. Petersburg was about 1,200 miles away from a NATO country. Today it is about 60 miles away from Estonia, a NATO member. The disintegration of the Soviet Union had left Russia surrounded by a group of countries hostile to Russian interests in various degrees and heavily influenced by the United States, Europe and, in some cases, China.
    Resurrecting the Russian Sphere


    Putin did not want to re-establish the Soviet Union, but he did want to re-establish the Russian sphere of influence in the former Soviet Union region. To accomplish that, he had to do two things. First, he had to re-establish the credibility of the Russian army as a fighting force, at least in the context of its region. Second, he had to establish that Western guarantees, including NATO membership, meant nothing in the face of Russian power. He did not want to confront NATO directly, but he did want to confront and defeat a power that was closely aligned with the United States, had U.S. support, aid and advisers and was widely seen as being under American protection. Georgia was the perfect choice.


    By invading Georgia as Russia did (competently if not brilliantly), Putin re-established the credibility of the Russian army. But far more importantly, by doing this Putin revealed an open secret: While the United States is tied down in the Middle East, American guarantees have no value. This lesson is not for American consumption. It is something that, from the Russian point of view, the Ukrainians, the Balts and the Central Asians need to digest. Indeed, it is a lesson Putin wants to transmit to Poland and the Czech Republic as well. The United States wants to place ballistic missile defense installations in those countries, and the Russians want them to understand that allowing this to happen increases their risk, not their security.

    The Russians knew the United States would denounce their attack. This actually plays into Russian hands. The more vocal senior leaders are, the greater the contrast with their inaction, and the Russians wanted to drive home the idea that American guarantees are empty talk.

    The Russians also know something else that is of vital importance: For the United States, the Middle East is far more important than the Caucasus, and Iran is particularly important. The United States wants the Russians to participate in sanctions against Iran. Even more importantly, they do not want the Russians to sell weapons to Iran, particularly the highly effective S-300 air defense system. Georgia is a marginal issue to the United States; Iran is a central issue. The Russians are in a position to pose serious problems for the United States not only in Iran, but also with weapons sales to other countries, like Syria.

    Therefore, the United States has a problem — it either must reorient its strategy away from the Middle East and toward the Caucasus, or it has to seriously limit its response to Georgia to avoid a Russian counter in Iran. Even if the United States had an appetite for another war in Georgia at this time, it would have to calculate the Russian response in Iran — and possibly in Afghanistan (even though Moscow’s interests there are currently aligned with those of Washington).

    In other words, the Russians have backed the Americans into a corner. The Europeans, who for the most part lack expeditionary militaries and are dependent upon Russian energy exports, have even fewer options. If nothing else happens, the Russians will have demonstrated that they have resumed their role as a regional power. Russia is not a global power by any means, but a significant regional power with lots of nuclear weapons and an economy that isn’t all too shabby at the moment. It has also compelled every state on the Russian periphery to re-evaluate its position relative to Moscow. As for Georgia, the Russians appear ready to demand the resignation of President Mikhail Saakashvili. Militarily, that is their option. That is all they wanted to demonstrate, and they have demonstrated it.

    The war in Georgia, therefore, is Russia’s public return to great power status. This is not something that just happened — it has been unfolding ever since Putin took power, and with growing intensity in the past five years. Part of it has to do with the increase of Russian power, but a great deal of it has to do with the fact that the Middle Eastern wars have left the United States off-balance and short on resources. As we have written, this conflict created a window of opportunity. The Russian goal is to use that window to assert a new reality throughout the region while the Americans are tied down elsewhere and dependent on the Russians. The war was far from a surprise; it has been building for months. But the geopolitical foundations of the war have been building since 1992. Russia has been an empire for centuries. The last 15 years or so were not the new reality, but simply an aberration that would be rectified. And now it is being rectified.

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    Has the Balance of Power really shifted?

    Or is it that the US has forgotten the art of warfare?

    It is time to think and not go ecstatic over tactical victories as has been the case. A victory in Iraq or in Afghanistan has left most in the media and elsewhere charged with glee! It is a false comfort. This impotence in this SO - Georgia conflict is a clear indication of being penny wise, pound foolish!

    Indeed, it is not only worrisome, but totally ludicrous that a Nation that has produced great Generals and strategic thinkers, could have forgotten how to match strategic aspirations with their resources. Or was it strategically cavalier? Totally thin on the ground and impotent when a serious crisis occurs.

    One could always say that Georgia is not a serious crisis. Maybe not in military terms, but surely in credibility of assurances. Ask Saashkavelli. Emboldened by the belief that NATO and the US will back up their assurance has been left high and dry, totally nude and tottering!! He embarked on a suicidal gamble and his stupidity has left the Nation totally shattered, not only in infrastructure, but in confidence in itself and in its ''protectors'' and instead has allowed a till now inconsequential Russia to be back in the global superpower saddle!

    This incapability to salvage a beleaguered ally will have its repercussion on not only the ex Soviet puppet nations who are coc.king the snoot at Russia, but also those who have allied themselves to the US strategic interest like Iraq, Afghanistan and even India!!

    This aspect has a serious implication on the Balance of Power since these Nations will be cautious and more concerned of their own integrity rather than that of the Alliance!

    This article indicates that US was in the loop. This is more so credible since Saashkaveli was always confrontationist with Russia. Without a Big Brother it is not feasible. And the US, as the article indicates, had resources to keep a tab on Russia!!

    It would label the US totally incompetent to believe with all the resources it had no clue what Russia was doing! But even, if it knew, it had no resources to back Georgia. A very lamentable situation!!

    How will the US indicated to its Allies that it has the capability to back up its guarantees? And yet, it cannot abandon its strategic interest in the ME or Afghanistan. And every minute, Russia is regaining her strength and power!!

    And on the other side, China is making waves with its new found strategic and economic strength!

    What is the answer for the US?

    Allies and friends are worried!!
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    I don't think it changes the balance of power sir. Russia did not occupy Georgia, they stopped well short of doing that. Also Russia's population is in decline-in forty years it will only be one-fourth of the US. Also although Russia is doing well economically with an influx of oil money it still only has a GDP roughly the size of Brazil. It has nuclear weapons and a strong military but it doesn't have the ability to project power it did 30 years ago. Now if Russia aligns closer to China that may be a different story.

    Now that we can measure it,* we find that Russia’s GDP is approximately equal to that of Portugal Brazil (which is not to knock Brazil). Much of Russia’s wealth comes from resource extraction: in other words, Russia is not making stuff. Is it thinking stuff instead? Well, is there a nascent biotech or semiconductor industry in Russia today? (Or is there maybe some other, more esoteric kind of activity that hasn’t yet permeated popular consciousness?) How are Russian universities doing?

    Russia is fairly populous, although no one would call it densely populated. However, its population is shrinking; in part, because it is not a healthy country.

    So we’re left with territory - Russia borders a lot of places - and with its military, which still has some potency. Put those two together, and maybe it’s not surprising that some Russian tanks will pop across the border from time to time. Or at least, they’ll want to.

    One thing I found hard to understand about the last few days was the BTC pipeline bombing. I don’t think that anyone doubts that the Russian air force could hit it eventually, if they chose, but what would be the point? There’s no short term strategic consequence: nothing exclusively depends on that particular piece of infrastructure. So unless the Russians bombed it every day - which in itself would delay a profitable peace - they’d only see the thing rebuilt. If on the other hand, they wanted the pipeline - preciousss - for themselves, they’d have to invade (and take any further consequences). This possibility must be on people’s minds, but it seems less likely today than it did yesterday. My suspicion is that the Russians simply missed the pipeline, and then, having thought things through, decided not to have another go.

    My geostrategic recommendation, for what little it’s worth: have strong words with the Ukrainians so that the Russians are allowed to take their boats home unmolested. Negotiate the introduction of a UN monitoring force to be stationed somewhere in the vicinity of South Ossetia. Continue to reduce dependency on oil and gas. And wait. Looking back, one lesson is this: if the Georgians had been militarily competent, they could have made this particular excursion punishingly difficult. The terrain favours defence. Whatever training and equipping may have been going on, it was obviously not up to scratch: we’ve just seen a failure of basic, local deterrence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herodotus View Post
    I don't think it changes the balance of power sir. Russia did not occupy Georgia, they stopped well short of doing that. Also Russia's population is in decline-in forty years it will only be one-fourth of the US. Also although Russia is doing well economically with an influx of oil money it still only has a GDP roughly the size of Brazil. It has nuclear weapons and a strong military but it doesn't have the ability to project power it did 30 years ago. Now if Russia aligns closer to China that may be a different story.



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    While I value your opinion since you are neither jingoistic nor frivolous, but as an Indian, against all domestic odds, India has aligned itself (indirectly) to the US.

    It worries me.

    I take no comfort with the US alignment, even though I root for it

    USSR and China are steadfast in comparison!

    It worries me that the US has very incompetent strategists working their world strategies.

    I have repeatedly stated that the US has violated the Principles of War by taking on more than it can chew. It was scoffed at by the ''nationalists'' and patriots here (and without logical inputs, if I may add) and ridiculed.

    Georgia indicates US is what Mao said - a paper tiger!

    I know it will hurt you as it hurts me. But I am a pragmatist and I am not impressed by rhetoric!


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    Apart from the obvious errors in their chronology, the articles' basic assertion is that Georgia wouldn't have acted without US approval, as they were on friendly terms with the US.
    Strangely enough, since comparisons with other world events are currently de rigeur , Saddam Hussein attacked Kuwait without US approval either, despite, according to general world opinion, being far more in the US's pocket than little old Georgia is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray View Post
    Herodotus

    While I value your opinion since you are neither jingoistic nor frivolous, but as an Indian, against all domestic odds, India has aligned itself (indirectly) to the US.

    It worries me.

    I take no comfort with the US alignment, even though I root for it

    USSR and China are steadfast in comparison!

    It worries me that the US has very incompetent strategists working their world strategies.

    I have repeatedly stated that the US has violated the Principles of War by taking on more than it can chew. It was scoffed at by the ''nationalists'' and patriots here (and without logical inputs, if I may add) and ridiculed.

    Georgia indicates US is what Mao said - a paper tiger!

    I know it will hurt you as it hurts me. But I am a pragmatist and I am not impressed by rhetoric!
    Thank you Ray for the kind words . I think it is in India's best interest to be non-aligned. It worked during the Cold War, and while the US tries to be nice to its friends the reality is there is no guarantee. The US will play both sides in India's disputes with Pakistan and China. As one of my professor's said once there are no permanent allies only permanent interests, and that goes for the US as well as any other country.

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    Russia doesn't fancy entertaining the idea of re-drawing borders? I should think not. If there was any justice they would be made to return all the borders in the former Soviet Unions sphere of influence back to where they were when the Bolsheviks took over.
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    Russia doesn't fancy entertaining the idea of re-drawing borders? I should think not. If there was any justice they would be made to return all the borders in the former Soviet Unions sphere of influence back to where they were when the Bolsheviks took over.
    I seriously doubt that the Russians have any intentions of redrawing the old borders. However, as is indicated in the article, the Russians are uncomfortable at the NATO/US attempt of encircling Russia. Had I been a Russian General and had I witnessed the collapse of my enemy line from 1200 miles to a paltry 60 miles, I would be a very disturbed General. So, most obviously, Russia wouldn't redraw any border, but would rather flex its mussle as much as to keep the earstwhile Soviet Countries in check, making them realise that aligning itself to NATO is more trouble than security.
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    Apart from the obvious errors in their chronology, the articles' basic assertion is that Georgia wouldn't have acted without US approval, as they were on friendly terms with the US.
    Strangely enough, since comparisons with other world events are currently de rigeur , Saddam Hussein attacked Kuwait without US approval either, despite, according to general world opinion, being far more in the US's pocket than little old Georgia is.
    The Iraqis did inquire of the US prior to the invasion of Kuwait, and were told that Kuwait was not an area of US interest, as shown by the lack of any sort of treaty. That's why Iraq reacted with such surprise at the US response: they had been given the go ahead.

    Until a few days before Georgia attacked, there were over 1,000 US military and more than 500 from several neighboring countries running exercises with Georgia. Plus all the Israelis, ground combat trainers as well as those working with the Georgian Air Force. There is no way that the Georgian military preparations for this assualt didn't come to the attention of many American and allied military and civilian contractor personnel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray View Post
    Has the Balance of Power really shifted?

    Or is it that the US has forgotten the art of warfare?

    It is time to think and not go ecstatic over tactical victories as has been the case. A victory in Iraq or in Afghanistan has left most in the media and elsewhere charged with glee! It is a false comfort. This impotence in this SO - Georgia conflict is a clear indication of being penny wise, pound foolish!

    Indeed, it is not only worrisome, but totally ludicrous that a Nation that has produced great Generals and strategic thinkers, could have forgotten how to match strategic aspirations with their resources. Or was it strategically cavalier? Totally thin on the ground and impotent when a serious crisis occurs.

    One could always say that Georgia is not a serious crisis. Maybe not in military terms, but surely in credibility of assurances. Ask Saashkavelli. Emboldened by the belief that NATO and the US will back up their assurance has been left high and dry, totally nude and tottering!! He embarked on a suicidal gamble and his stupidity has left the Nation totally shattered, not only in infrastructure, but in confidence in itself and in its ''protectors'' and instead has allowed a till now inconsequential Russia to be back in the global superpower saddle!

    This incapability to salvage a beleaguered ally will have its repercussion on not only the ex Soviet puppet nations who are coc.king the snoot at Russia, but also those who have allied themselves to the US strategic interest like Iraq, Afghanistan and even India!!

    This aspect has a serious implication on the Balance of Power since these Nations will be cautious and more concerned of their own integrity rather than that of the Alliance!

    This article indicates that US was in the loop. This is more so credible since Saashkaveli was always confrontationist with Russia. Without a Big Brother it is not feasible. And the US, as the article indicates, had resources to keep a tab on Russia!!

    It would label the US totally incompetent to believe with all the resources it had no clue what Russia was doing! But even, if it knew, it had no resources to back Georgia. A very lamentable situation!!

    How will the US indicated to its Allies that it has the capability to back up its guarantees? And yet, it cannot abandon its strategic interest in the ME or Afghanistan. And every minute, Russia is regaining her strength and power!!

    And on the other side, China is making waves with its new found strategic and economic strength!

    What is the answer for the US?

    Allies and friends are worried!!
    Sir, I don't think the balance of power has shifted.

    Georgia was and still is within spitting distance of Russia. If anything, US's encroachment into the traditional sphere of influence of the Russian empire only shows the shift of power to US's favor. It was unimaginable to see US advisors in Georgia or any of the "stans" just 20 years ago.

    This is just Russia's attempt to stop the shift of power in that region to US's favor. And being so close, of course Russia has the inherent advantage. Let's see Russia establish a few bases in Latin America before we say US is tired and spent on the international stage.
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    I have the good fortune to have seen active combat many a time and in different intensities of confrontation, and at all levels, including the Division. They were mostly in the mountains.

    Mountains are the best format to learn how to apply the principles of war, since a mistake takes a long time to rectify unlike the plains, including the use of air power.

    One of the greatest lessons I have learnt is on having reserves and recreating them once they are employed.

    In this very forum, many a time, I have wondered how the US could commit all its reserves and yet not have any left!

    This conflict indicates the helpless impotence the US finds itself.

    What saddens me is that the US had great Generals, including my favourite Patton ( I could not afford ivory butt pistol; but even though I had an authorised Sten Machine Carbine, I carried only a pistol) and thus am saddened that the "military arrogance" ( I can find no more an appropriate term) has led the US into such a humiliating situation that an ally is left high and dry!

    US is not a tried or spent force. It has become callous ever since it has become the "sole superpower of the world". This has gone to the US head and they have dropped their guard!!

    How can the US stop Russia or China from establishing bases in independent and sovereign countries, more so, in countries that don't care for the US sensitivity?
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    Georgia is a wake up call!


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    Ray,

    Had United States not gone into Iraq and Afghanistan, what type of response were you expecting from them in regards to Georgia.

    I am guessing you are leaning more toward the hypthesis that politically Moscow would not have dare to pull this off, unless they perceived West as weak and spread thin.
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    They would have the reserves to react or even support the Georgian offensive and be morally correct, wherein Georgia was reclaiming her lost and rightful land. That would have been the official reason and hardly anything to quibble about!

    But then Iraq and Afghanistan is strategically a greater plum to have!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray View Post
    They would have the reserves to react or even support the Georgian offensive and be morally correct, wherein Georgia was reclaiming her lost and rightful land. That would have been the official reason and hardly anything to quibble about!
    It is really hard to believe that they would directly supported Georgia militarly ... at the expense of Moscow
    If we contrast the rapid progress of this mischievous discovery of gunpowder with the slow and laborious advances of reason, science, and the arts of peace, a philosopher, according to his temper, will laugh or weep at the folly of mankind. - Edward Gibbon

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