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Reply With QuoteObamamaniaa!!!Originally Posted by TopHatter
Baaarack Obaaama, Baaarack Obaaama...
not all . At least here 90% journalists support McCain. And I have not heard a single positive comment about Obama in newspapers as far as i can remember.I think that pretty much goes without saying.
Another spineless Democrat...but at least Europe loves him.
As one commentator wrote ´At least Hillary had balls´
If i only was so smart yesterday as my wife is today
Minding your own biz is great virtue, but situation awareness saves lives - Dok
Obamamaniaa!!!
Baaarack Obaaama, Baaarack Obaaama...
Hi Equilibrium, those who are on the ground or around the base are sitting ducks. But the point of having it is not in stationing bombers there... it is used for refueling bombers for which are shateling between Russia and Cuba...
the existence of air refueling base allows your bombers to patrol US borders much longer period (now it is only 1.5hours). US fighters can not follow patrolling bomber all those hours - they are created for interception not for patrolling. If they do => it cost lots of cash + you have to replace them more often as they use up their flight resource.
As for logistics - refueling base requires little logistics. Mostly the fuel and some emergency spareparts + mechanics. To cut off fuel supply one needs to cut off all fuel supply to Cuba.
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My guess is that Russia does not want to go that far... but they are sending signal - TAKE SERIOUS OUR CONCERNS OVER MISSILE BASE/RADAR NEXT TO OUR BORDER.
Can they send bombers to Cuba? Yes. Bombers were based there in Cold war times.
Technically it would make little problems to put them back...... but politically it would split EU appart and antiUS moods would only grow.Besides, I doubt the world is going to go for Soviet bombers on patrol with nukes in the West and the chances of an accident, because at that point whomever is acting President of the U.S. could very easily reinstate the USN surface combatants deployed again with nukes aboard just like Bush Sr had them removed in the 90's.
This is what Putin and Co are waiting for - show US as an agressor and Russia as a victim
The "Bear" and the "Blackjack" have to make it off the runway first and for them to head towards American shores is quite doubfull they will accomplish even the fist. Then, It would seem fitting to invade the island and plain out take it under the pretence of National Security. Let the world ***** afterwards but it will fall upon deaf ears to any sitting U.S. President beit Republican or Democrat. The very same would more then likely hold true for "fido" down there in Venezuala.
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Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.
Are you talking about a war scenario or a peace scenario? Eitherway this is just a political statement from russians that they are very unhappy with the missile shield.
I see this as a reciprocal signal rather than an overt military challenge as well.
They have been using Cuban fields for years, I remember Senator Franch Church created an international crisis in 1978 while trying to demonstrate his national security credentials when he claimed that a Soviet MiG 23 squadron based in Cuba was equipped with tactical nuclear weapons to strike the US.
In terms of penetrating ability, a couple of Cuban fighter pilots have defected with their aircraft to bases in the Florida Keys or Homestead AFB near Miami over the years- all without being detected.
I guess, Putin and Co will only love this scenario... even most fanatical friends of USA will be protesting and it would take decades to clean this dirt away from USA reputation....
Millitarily Cuba is not capable to hold a day against US Army invasion - but it resembles a dragon... you invade Cuba and many of your Latin american friends turn to a good base for your enemies.
In general USA is doing a lot of stupid things towards Cuba... look, the economic regime of Cuba is not sustainable and irrational, however, they can always blame their economic problems to the blockade by USA. The reality is that NOBODY WANTS TO INVEST INTO CUBA with its current government, but current government can always cover their idiotism with USA blockade.
A good way to knock this government down is to open up this society... drop the blockade and their government will fall down much faster!
yep, there is no need for even refueling base. Both Soviet and USA bombers had such a little chance of actually fullfilliong their role in case of nuclear war that none of the two put any serious emphasis on the airbombing part of the triade. For both USSR and USA were relying more on submarines and land based IBCMs...
Even today, Russia can reply to the missile shield by building many thousands of false IBCM bases and increasing number of submarines on duty. And this would be cheaper and more efficient!!!
Indeed, even if these Bears and Blackjacks are capable to patrol 8-9 hours along USA borders, the chance that they would actually penetrate US territory and launch their missiles is quite small - they are too big and too observed to hide like those suden MiG23 flights. Pernsonally, I think that strategic bombers from both side have little chance if a real action starts.
Why would they need to enter US territory with Kh-55? And there is only 200 km between Cuba and Florida. In theory they can trash US east coast without entering US airspace. Or there is something i dont know?
Well sure, and then the Russians would also use the same national security concerns to take over the Ukraine, Georgia to name a few. What the Russians are trying to do is beat it into the American heads (at least in the American public) how seriously they regard Nato expansion and the Missile defense system. I mean as far as they are concerned the US started all of this, and I agree with them there.
It’s pretty clear Moscow is just talking big. I seriously doubt they are going to pull this off. And even then, it’s not like they are going to have a permanent presence in these regions. As the article states these airfields would be used for refueling & maintenance purposes only. Nothing more nothing less.
It would improve Russia's combat readiness though.
This US & NATO have nothing to worry about even if the Russians go ahead with this.
However the REAL story is when we see Russia displaying serious new military hardware say 4 or 5 years from now. The new 5th generation fighter, the new & upgraded Topol-M IBCMs, the new air defence radar systems, etc. etc. That's when the West should start taking notice!
Nebula82.
The US wouldnt care in the least. If you want to park a Nuke capable bomber close to her shore then be our guest. Do you think Americans wouldnt demand them taken out? Lets see, take out the bombers and make the communist world out there pissed at us or do nothing and let them stay? Hmm, my guess is they be in pieces by the following morning and Cuba wouldnt be in Raul's control anymore. The US has lived with soil on her reputation before what makes you think this would be any different and we always emerge in a better light.
And of our Latin American friends such as who? Fido over ther in Vezezuala that buys all the Russian hardware and flouts how tough he is and he lives under the fear that were coming after him? Trust me, We wouldnt waste out time with that small fish and if he does allow bases there he just presents himself as a much better taget then before. He wont last long in power. He has plenty of troubles at home.
In general, maybe perhaps in your view. Cuba was blockaded for a reason and many more then any press (especially Cuba's) would care to put into print as reasons. The current regime knows exactly why but I bet the people surely dont. Thats why they come here and await until the people have had enough or Raul opens himself to change. We dont need Cuba whatsoever and that is the message that has been sent since the 60's and Castro's regime. When they change and treat their people better and allow free elections then maybe just mabye they may have better relations but certainly the thought of Russian planes being stationed their would only add to the downfall once again and this time it would probably be complete.
Nope from what I see they are in no hurry to drop any blackade until things change. We can hold out for eternity but they cant and Raul will only live but so long.
Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.
No, look much much deeper into the ABM as to who started what before you start to point fingers and blame. Russia is as much to blame as the U.S. for all of this and they know it.
Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.
Which is what the capability ALCM gave to the SAC bomber fleet beginning in the late 70's early 80's. A bomber and its ALCM's could fly in across the North Pole and take almost as much time getting to Leningrad/ St. Petersburg as well as Eastern Russia.
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