Thread: Russian Arms Exports to Greece, Cyprus and Turkey

Originally Posted by neyzen

"Aegea is Greek Sea" , "Cyprus is Greek" these are state policy of Greeks. Like all countries Turkey won't let such expansionist movements that comes from her neighbours. I guess she will use her international rights to eliminate them like she did in 1974 according to Zürich and London Agreement.

You confuse Greece with Cyprus foreign policy, they are not one and the same. The Republic of Cyprus doesnt want a 'Greek' Cyprus... that would be as unnapealing to us as a 'Turkish' Cyprus. What the aim is is a unified Cyprus but with certain criteria such as compensation for the homes occupied by Turkish settlers in the North and a government split on the basis of the original Greek/Turk split as opposed to the current Greek/Turk split that takes into account over 120000 Turks that have been resettled from the Ankara region.

The day Greek Cypriots began to kill innocent Turkish Cypriots for unification with Greece, only one internationally recognised Republic of Cyprus was impeded. The day Greek Cypriots said "no" to UN's plan ROC was impeded again. Today the wind comes from your behind for known reasons. I can't guess future from now but I should say that Cyprus won't be Greek state if Turkey has enough power to eliminate it. I know there is only one internationally recognized ROK. Current negotiation via UN goes for united Cyprus which says Cyprus is not only Greek state.

Lets not get into who killed who... i am purposelly avoiding pulling up the history on this one because both sides caused more than enough atrocities. As for Turkey eliminating anything its not the way things work in international circles. The Republic of Cyprus could effectivelly starve the North economically and legally and Turkey would not dare go against international law and the EU to do something physically.

I believe Greece and Southern Cyprus are easy to deal for main EU member since Greek economy mainly based on EU.

The Greek economy is a joke. The Cypriot economy on the other hand is doing exceedingly well and is on fire. The average Cypriot yearly salary of $28000 is higher than that of Greece at $13500, Northern Cyprus at about $5000 and Turkey at $11228

Geographical, Turkey is more European than Cyprus. For Turks, Turkey is Turkey. She is neither European nor ME nor Caucasian nor Asian nor Mediterranean.... We are combination of many and we are happy with it. Culturally, feel free to compare Scandinavian, Western European,...Turkish cultures with Greek culture and tell us which one is closer. I don't know the EU Christian club thing. It is you and also our prime minister's saying. I know only Copenhagen political criteria, rest is junk for me or should be junk.

The large majoity of Cypriots are from the Greeek culture... Greek culture is the basis of Western and European culture. Your argument there is laughable. Democracy, modern medicine, mathematics, science, the defence of ancient Europe from the Persians. All Greek products. Where do you get the argument that Turkish culture is more in line with European culture than the Greeks?

I missed why EU fight with Turkey...? Any way. EU is not Army. Who is going to die for you and why? Brits, French, Germans, Dutchs.. who?

If an EU country gets attacked by an external country the EU will defend it. The EU is going down the path of a superstate. In the US Texans may not get along with New Yorkers but at the same time if NY got invaded you would expect the Texans to mobilise their national guard just the same. You dont seem to get that if the currentl constitution goes through in the EU the power of Cyprus will rise immensly due to the fact that it will be part of a much larger and more powerfull state. Turkey will not realise just how bad that geopolitical move will come back to bite it in the arse in the future.

Think of Cyprus in 5-10 years time as a semi-independant state of the country known as the European Union and it will make sense to you why EU would fight to defend its interests.

Lets not get into who killed who... i am purposelly avoiding pulling up the history on this one because both sides caused more than enough atrocities. As for Turkey eliminating anything its not the way things work in international circles. The Republic of Cyprus could effectivelly starve the North economically and legally and Turkey would not dare go against international law and the EU to do something physically.

I didn't try to pull up history. I just remind you reason of Turkish Army's existence in the Island. And it has done according to international law (Zürich and London Agreement). Republic of Cyprus was going without such problems if the EOKA wasn't exist. For eliminating... It has already worked. Existence of Turkish Cypriots is the evidence. Actual circumstance of Cyprus looks well for international circles. According to international law Turkey can not occupy Cyprus or she can not split Island into 2 parts for now. You know the Turkish aid to Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. Turkey don't let Turkish Cypriots to starve. This is what I mean. Problem started with Greek Cypriot terror. Greek Cypriots said no to UN's plan and 35 years has already passed. If current negociations fails again because of South and years passes... when the conjuncture fits international law changes...

The Greek economy is a joke. The Cypriot economy on the other hand is doing exceedingly well and is on fire. The average Cypriot yearly salary of $28000 is higher than that of Greece at $13500, Northern Cyprus at about $5000 and Turkey at $11228

No. I mean your economy based on EU. If Turkey's EU membership fits to them there is nothing much to do for Greeks.

The large majoity of Cypriots are from the Greeek culture... Greek culture is the basis of Western and European culture. Your argument there is laughable. Democracy, modern medicine, mathematics, science, the defence of ancient Europe from the Persians. All Greek products. Where do you get the argument that Turkish culture is more in line with European culture than the Greeks?

Again misunderstanding.. Sorry, maybe my English cause it. I respect to Ancient Greeks for many things they done. But we don't live in ancient times. And you are not ancient Greeks. I was talking about present cultures. Present Greek culture is more like Turkish culture than British one or Polish one..

If an EU country gets attacked by an external country the EU will defend it. The EU is going down the path of a superstate. In the US Texans may not get along with New Yorkers but at the same time if NY got invaded you would expect the Texans to mobilise their national guard just the same. You dont seem to get that if the currentl constitution goes through in the EU the power of Cyprus will rise immensly due to the fact that it will be part of a much larger and more powerfull state. Turkey will not realise just how bad that geopolitical move will come back to bite it in the arse in the future.

I don't think soldiers of any European country except Greece die for you if you pass green line. But I am sure Turkish Army gives the right answer if Greek Cypriots dare it.

Think of Cyprus in 5-10 years time as a semi-independant state of the country known as the European Union and it will make sense to you why EU would fight to defend its interests.

Today Turkish State Institute of Statistics announced census of population. We are 71.5 million, half of the population is under 28. We work harder than many EU countries. Economic growth and income for per capita is better than many EU countries in Western Turkey. Turkey's potential is much higher. Crisis around Turkey such as Iraq, Palestine can be end in near future. Our ambit can be more stable in 5-10 years. It benefits us. Energy resources declines. EU getting old. Turkey will be important country with her mix polar culture and geostrategic location for North, East as much as EU. I don't think EU will be US at least in 50 year. I repeat again no one dies for you and actual circumstance of Cyprus is better for European countries.