Greek veto - severest blow to NATO, US and EU

**reader55** · 06 Apr 08, 18:03

Originally Posted by falcon1131

Which part you seem you don't understand?
I told you the blocking from Greece to FYROM's entry into NATO had to do with the identity theft for the name of Macedonia, for which in my opinion you shouldn't even be allowed to use at all, taking into consideration the attitude that you display.
Your actual name was Vardaska being slavs of slavic descent, who came in the 6th century AD and resided in this area.
Or you didn't know that either? and you expected me to tell you?
Did you get it, or not yet?

First, look what 'identity theft' is.

Next, you are entitled to your opinion, of course. I'm entitled to tell you that you can not tell me what should I think. If you still think you can tell me what should I think, then, I think, will use a bit heavier vocabulary.

I'm not going to be dragged into arguments about the 6th century until you respond to my comment which concerns the contemporary history:
"On the basis that they've been asking Greece parliament for fund for primary school books in their native language since forever, and all international human rights groups have confirmed that."

Why are you still denying minorities rights? Apparently, in the cradle of democracy, it's very dangerous not to be greek.

Last, the actual name of the Macedonians' country today is 'Republic of Macedonia', thats what they wish to call it. Your continual efforts to get them to rename it is a classic case of ethnic racism.

**reader55** · 06 Apr 08, 18:07

Originally Posted by falcon1131

My dear fellow you made it sound like there was an official exchange of population between Greece and FYROM (for luck of a better word).
All of a sudden you are talking about the exchange of population of 1923 between Greece and Turkey. What does this have to do with what we are discussing here?
Certainly you are off topic.
Any other thing that you think you're going to prove me wrong?

Let me refresh your fragile memory, I said:
"And if you want to talk about it, please additionally enlighten the readers here about the ethnic cleansing (or the population exchanges as you call them) that Greece had around that time."

I did not specify with who. Not only you mince your own words but now you mince mine?

All this has to do with the discussion here, if you missed the connection, well not my fault

**~~falcon1131~~** · 06 Apr 08, 18:17

Originally Posted by reader55

So now somebody else is claiming it was 39% ?

How much do you think you have? because your own country admits to that......., besides the Bulgarian, the Albanian and the Greek government.

Need I to remind you that the Slavic population in FYROM is only 66.6%? and the rest are Albanians, Gypsies, Bulgarians, Turks and Greeks.
It is very questionable that your country will be viable in the future.
You know that the 25% of Albanians already had an insurgency claiming the region of Tetovo for themselves.
From our part we want you to succeed as a nation and we want you to enter NATO and the EU, provided that we solve the problem for the name.
That is all my dear.

**reader55** · 06 Apr 08, 18:23

Originally Posted by falcon1131

From our part we want you to succeed as a nation and we want you to enter NATO and the EU, provided that we solve the problem for the name.
That is all my dear.

Putting a Veto to UN, EU and NATO ascensions clearly shows that you want Macedonians to succeed. Your actions speak so loud and reinforce your pro-democratic views.

**reader55** · 06 Apr 08, 18:34

Originally Posted by falcon1131

Need I to remind you that the Slavic population in FYROM is only 66.6%? and the rest are Albanians, Gypsies, Bulgarians, Turks and Greeks.
It is very questionable that your country will be viable in the future.

So multiculturalism is unstable concept? Everybody should be greek, no?

**~~falcon1131~~** · 06 Apr 08, 18:38

Originally Posted by reader55

First, look what 'identity theft' is.

Next, you are entitled to your opinion, of course. I'm entitled to tell you that you can not tell me what should I think. If you still think you can tell me what should I think, then, I think, will use a bit heavier vocabulary.

I'm not going to be dragged into arguments about the 6th century until you respond to my comment which concerns the contemporary history:
"On the basis that they've been asking Greece parliament for fund for primary school books in their native language since forever, and all international human rights groups have confirmed that."

Why are you still denying minorities rights? Apparently, in the cradle of democracy, it's very dangerous not to be greek.

Last, the actual name of the Macedonians' country today is 'Republic of Macedonia', thats what they wish to call it. Your continual efforts to get them to rename it is a classic case of ethnic racism.

1) I don't tell you what to think, I tell you what I think which happens to be true.

2) You cannot create schools from scattered individuals who may be claiming minority rights on the basis of being 0.0002% of the population, as it was revealed by elections in Greece.

3) There is no ethnic racism in Greece. There are close to 2,000,000 foreign people in Greece from all over Eastern Europe, Asiatic and African countries, most of them (90%) illegal alliens and nobody bothers them.
They live, and work and they prosper in Greece.
Ask the Albanians who are hundred of thousands of them. They'll tell you.

**~~falcon1131~~** · 06 Apr 08, 18:40

Originally Posted by reader55

So multiculturalism is unstable concept? Everybody should be greek, no?

I never told you any such thing, see my answer above.

**reader55** · 06 Apr 08, 18:44

Originally Posted by falcon1131

1) I don't tell you what to think, I tell you what I think which happens to be true.

2) You cannot create schools from scattered individuals who may be claiming minority rights on the basis of being 0.0002% of the population, as it was revealed by elections in Greece.

3) There is no ethnic racism in Greece. There are close to 2,000,000 foreign people in Greece from all over Eastern Europe, Asiatic and African countries, most of them (90%) illegal alliens and nobody bothers them.
They live, and work and they prosper in Greece.
Ask the Albanians who are hundred of thousands of them. They'll tell you.

1. That what you tell me happens to be true, is entirely your point of view.
2. Revealed by elections? Dear god, don't you have census numbers to throw at me?
3. So, are they 0.0002% or 2 million?

**~~falcon1131~~** · 06 Apr 08, 18:44

Originally Posted by reader55

Putting a Veto to UN, EU and NATO ascensions clearly shows that you want Macedonians to succeed. Your actions speak so loud and reinforce your pro-democratic views.

We want you to succeed without stealing other people's culture, and monopolizing the name Macedonia for which clearly you are not entitled to.

**reader55** · 06 Apr 08, 18:46

Originally Posted by falcon1131

I never told you any such thing, see my answer above.

Then, please explain your words:
"Need I to remind you that the Slavic population in FYROM is only 66.6%? and the rest are Albanians, Gypsies, Bulgarians, Turks and Greeks.
It is very questionable that your country will be viable in the future. "

**reader55** · 06 Apr 08, 18:49

Originally Posted by falcon1131

We want you to succeed without stealing other people's culture, and monopolizing the name Macedonia for which clearly you are not entitled to.

Keep in mind this:
Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Now, which part of the culture was stolen, and how would the name will be monopolized?

**~~falcon1131~~** · 06 Apr 08, 18:50

Originally Posted by reader55

3. So, are they 0.0002% or 2 million?

Are you serious? Are you telling me there are 2,000,000 of you in Northern Greece?
There are not that many of you in your own country.

**~~falcon1131~~** · 06 Apr 08, 18:52

Originally Posted by reader55

Then, please explain your words:
"Need I to remind you that the Slavic population in FYROM is only 66.6%? and the rest are Albanians, Gypsies, Bulgarians, Turks and Greeks.
It is very questionable that your country will be viable in the future. "

That is very true. What do you find so odd about it?

**~~falcon1131~~** · 06 Apr 08, 18:55

Originally Posted by reader55

Keep in mind this:
Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Now, which part of the culture was stolen, and how would the name will be monopolized?

Which article in particular are you reffering to?
and I will give you the answer.

**Overdosed** · 06 Apr 08, 19:16

Originally Posted by falcon1131

Are you serious? Are you telling me there are 2,000,000 of you in Northern Greece?
There are not that many of you in your own country.

Former greek minister of foreign affairs in Skopje asked about macedonian minority in greece answered in democratic spirit:There are bunch of homosexuals and others with suspicious background.....

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