Thread: Russian Threatens Ukraine with nukes

Originally Posted by Shuttlecat

I think he means the Warsaw Pact.

I got it............. bad attempt at humour knew in my head what it meant, ... but on paper.........looked nothing like

Originally Posted by Kansas Bear

You're comparing Warsaw pact nations with democratic nations? Wow, that laughable..............at best.

My nation is leader in something called NAM, for us Warsaw Pact and NATO are quite the same when it comes protecting their own International geopolitics goals. We are the worlds largest democracy, somehow NATO deemed fit to support Pakistan....laughable, Yes

Ideology has got no place in International Geopolitics NATO and Warsaw Pact has shown it over the decades.

Well the Telegraph article says Russia threatens nuclear attack on Ukraine which is a whole lot different from the comment made by Putin which states that Russia will point nuke at Ukraine.
I dont think Russia will attack Ukraine with nukes just for joining NATO. Thats ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Yusuf

Well the Telegraph article says Russia threatens nuclear attack on Ukraine which is a whole lot different from the comment made by Putin which states that Russia will point nuke at Ukraine.
I dont think Russia will attack Ukraine with nukes just for joining NATO. Thats ridiculous.

Exactly, If they do join and I am sure they will, They will have couple of Missile' pointed at them.

I suspect there are already targeting plans for Ukraine. This would just mean feeding them into the missiles themselves, so they can launched on a moment's notice rather than in 15 minutes.

Originally Posted by Adux

My nation is leader in something called NAM, for us Warsaw Pact and NATO are quite the same when it comes protecting their own International geopolitics goals. We are the worlds largest democracy, somehow NATO deemed fit to support Pakistan....laughable, Yes

Ideology has got no place in International Geopolitics NATO and Warsaw Pact has shown it over the decades.

Too compare the Warsaw Pact, made up of nations UNDER the military influence/threat of the USSR and NATO(which France subsequently LEFT!), which nations CHOOSE to join and/or leave, shows lack of reasoning.


The USSR later violated the terms of the Warsaw Pact by invading Hungary(1956) and Czechoslovakia(1968).

KB I fear you maybe in a discussion where (your) facts are irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Kansas Bear

Too compare the Warsaw Pact, made up of nations UNDER the military influence/threat of the USSR and NATO(which France subsequently LEFT!), which nations CHOOSE to join and/or leave, shows lack of reasoning.

Ofcourse, When you compare ideologies, we stood closer to NATO countries than to USSR. But then for US and others we popped as the nice guy of the world only in the late 1990's. We never changed, we just became richer. Yet the support of NATO was against India, an ideological similar entity, Democratic and Secular.

In the 1971, To pressure India, and give Pakistan breathing space. We had the USS Enterprise sailing into the Bay of Bengal to protect the genocide conducted Pakistani forces on Bangladeshi's(Refer: US Ambasador to Dacca Emergency Telegraph to Pres.Nixon)under the guise of recovering stranded Americans in Dhaka. It was Admiral Ghorshkov and his Soviet Forces who came to India's rescue. How Ironic, But understandable. Moral Grandstanding has nothing to do with Geo-political needs, therefore ideology goes to bin.

Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30

KB I fear you maybe in a discussion where (your) facts are irrelevant.

Too true.

It didnt happen then ?

Originally Posted by Kansas Bear

So the Ukrainian government should not be allowed to make decisions for itself and its people?

Kyiv, February 11 (Interfax- Ukraine) - Half of Ukrainians are opposed to Ukraine's possible membership of NATO, while fewer than one fourth of Ukrainian people support the Euroatlantic integration of the country, according to a poll conducted by the FOM-Ukraine company from January 25 to February 2.

Commenting on the results of the poll at Interfax-Ukraine on Monday, Company Director General Oleksandr Bukhalov said if a national referendum on Ukraine's membership of NATO were to be held in near future, 50% of Ukrainians would vote against membership of NATO. In comparison with February 2007, the number of opponents of Ukraine's membership of NATO fell by 9.9%.

According to the poll, 24.3% of Ukrainians would vote for Ukraine's joining NATO, against 16.9% in February 2007.

Meantime, of those polled, 57.8% of Ukrainians support the idea of a national referendum on joining NATO, against 38.6% in February 2007.

http://www.interfax.com.ua/en/press-...erence/106882/