US Intercepts Russian Jets

**lwarmonger** · 13 Feb 08,, 20:19

Originally Posted by Adux

They havent lost their second strike capability, The Deltas and Tyhoons still swim around. Their missiles are operational, more money is also being pumped in over Russian Defence forces. How long before they recover to atleast 60-70% of Soviet capacity.
They cannot take down the USA, but they still have more than 3000 nukes, Enough to make sure World IV will be fought with sticks and stones.

But like I said, nuclear warfare isn't a viable option for them. If they nuke us, we destroy them, perhaps more so than they can destroy us. In any level of conventional conflict Russia is no match, and won't be for at least the next 20 years (and that is assuming things go very well for them and much worse for us than they are now).

**Shuttlecat** · 13 Feb 08,, 23:09

Originally Posted by Dreadnought

Keep playing games and thats how accidents happen. Its all fun and games until somebody is missing a bomber or two.

Or a ship. Or two. . .

**~~foxhound_nn~~** · 14 Feb 08,, 10:17

From another thread:

Originally Posted by lwarmonger

These aren't the days of the Soviet Union, and Russia can't compete with us anymore and win.

Originally Posted by lwarmonger

The sooner the Russians realize that they aren't strong enough to be our enemy anymore (the American people seem to recognize that, the Russian people sure as hell don't seem to though) the happier they will be.

Originally Posted by lwarmonger

If Russia makes itself our enemy (something Putin seems intent on) we will win. Just because we don't take Russia as a threat now (because short of nuclear weapons it isn't) doesn't mean we can't seriously harm Russia in an indirect manner in the future.

And you call youself Military Professional??? If any serious conflict arouse nobody will win!!!

Originally Posted by lwarmonger

But like I said, nuclear warfare isn't a viable option for them. If they nuke us, we destroy them, perhaps more so than they can destroy us. In any level of conventional conflict Russia is no match, and won't be for at least the next 20 years (and that is assuming things go very well for them and much worse for us than they are now).

The US will destroy Russia 7 times, but Russia will destroy the US only 3 times. Will you be glad? Are you an idiot?
Childish arguments.

**lwarmonger** · 14 Feb 08,, 17:09

Originally Posted by foxhound_nn

From another thread:

And you call youself Military Professional??? If any serious conflict arouse nobody will win!!!

The US will destroy Russia 7 times, but Russia will destroy the US only 3 times. Will you be glad? Are you an idiot?
Childish arguments.

You know, spamming this forum with unsupportable personal attacks will get you banned. I have responded to this nonsense on the other thread, and one more like it will result in my reporting you to a moderator.

**~~foxhound_nn~~** · 14 Feb 08,, 17:16

Originally Posted by lwarmonger

You know, spamming this forum with unsupportable personal attacks will get you banned. I have responded to this nonsense on the other thread, and one more like it will result in my reporting you to a moderator.

_Stating in ALL threads 'Russia will lose! Russia will lose!' is also a spam. I answered in two threads just to be sure, that you will read it.
_Excuse me for personal attack, it was just a question

**lwarmonger** · 14 Feb 08,, 17:21

Originally Posted by foxhound_nn

_Stating in ALL threads 'Russia will lose! Russia will lose!' is also a spam. I answered in two threads just to be sure, that you will read it.

It isn't spamming to state the truth. If Russia takes on the United States, they will lose. I have stated my reasons for saying that. I haven't heard anyone disputing them.

If you have a problem with my argument, then refute it. If you're just upset about my opinion but can't contest it, then I suggest you don't resort to personal attacks to cover the gap.

**~~foxhound_nn~~** · 14 Feb 08,, 17:32

Originally Posted by lwarmonger

It isn't spamming to state the truth. If Russia takes on the United States, they will lose. I have stated my reasons for saying that. I haven't heard anyone disputing them.

If you have a problem with my argument, then refute it. If you're just upset about my opinion but can't contest it, then I suggest you don't resort to personal attacks to cover the gap.

oh,... answer a question in another thread please

**Silent Hunter** · 14 Feb 08,, 21:45

Originally Posted by Adux

They havent lost their second strike capability, The Deltas and Tyhoons still swim around. Their missiles are operational, more money is also being pumped in over Russian Defence forces. How long before they recover to atleast 60-70% of Soviet capacity.
They cannot take down the USA, but they still have more than 3000 nukes, Enough to make sure World IV will be fought with sticks and stones.

I don't think that the "Deltas" have actually gone to sea recently, but I'm not sure... Not that they need to...

**cuba** · 15 Feb 08,, 04:16

I've heard that the Typhoon class are being scrapped with help from the US and the UK. Both countries are helping to reduce Russia's aging soviet fleet.

I got that from Naval Technology - SSBN Typhoon Class (Type 941) - Strategic Missile Submarine

I'd assume that that is the same case with the Deltas.

*guessing*

**TopHatter** · 15 Feb 08,, 04:25

Originally Posted by foxhound_nn

And you call youself Military Professional??? If any serious conflict arouse nobody will win!!!

Will you be glad? Are you an idiot?
Childish arguments.

He doesn't call himself a military professional, he IS a military professional.

What the hell are YOU?

Speaking of which, I've had plenty enough.

**~~Adux~~** · 15 Feb 08,, 05:32

Originally Posted by Silent Hunter

I don't think that the "Deltas" have actually gone to sea recently, but I'm not sure... Not that they need to...

There are 3 Delta 3's and 3 Typhoons, of which 2 Typhoons are going through complete refit, They just launched two new nuclear submarine's.

**~~Adux~~** · 15 Feb 08,, 05:34

Originally Posted by lwarmonger

But like I said, nuclear warfare isn't a viable option for them. If they nuke us, we destroy them, perhaps more so than they can destroy us. In any level of conventional conflict Russia is no match, and won't be for at least the next 20 years (and that is assuming things go very well for them and much worse for us than they are now).

You might be able to assert your will on Russian neighbours easily. You conventional superiority is unprecedented in front of Russians. But MAD still remains between you and the russians.

**Silent Hunter** · 16 Feb 08,, 13:16

Originally Posted by Adux

There are 3 Delta 3's and 3 Typhoons, of which 2 Typhoons are going through complete refit, They just launched two new nuclear submarine's.

The new Boreys haven't entered service yet, IIRC, correctly.

I was referring to the "Delta IV" class and wondering about actually doing undersea patrols. The SSBN fleet can launch from the dock, but that makes them more vulnerable.

**~~Adux~~** · 16 Feb 08,, 17:15

Originally Posted by Silent Hunter

The new Boreys haven't entered service yet, IIRC, correctly.

I was referring to the "Delta IV" class and wondering about actually doing undersea patrols. The SSBN fleet can launch from the dock, but that makes them more vulnerable.

Question is how long will they be in docks? Russians are rebuilding, 10 years down the line.

1 Borey is going through Sea trials, another one is expected to hit the water in 14 months.

There are 7 Delta's series now in active service nearly 8 in reserve(good as scrapped)

**Equilibrium** · 03 Mar 08,, 03:52

This is just another instance of history proving an seeming axiom of Russia.

Russia throughout its history has endured territorial contraction and followed by periods of expansion in influence. It has also sought international recognition, whether in the European great power system or during the COld War for its claims as a global power deserving to influence global events.

Russia is never in stasis. I think it is unatural for Russia, a continental power on two continents to not have some ability to influence global events. A continetal sized power, should not be isolated in seething resentment, no matter the degradation of its national power compared to its Soviet days.