Thread: Russia disappoints the world

Originally Posted by Alex_Ivanov

I have to agree here. Targeting rockets (if it is necessary for national security) must be done silently, everyone already knows that Russia is still capable of destroying some countries completely, there's no need to remind.

Yes far better to remind those ex-Warsaw pact and ex-Soviet states, that Russia is still willing to initiate a nuclear war for those countries exercising their sovereign rights, as long as it's done quietly...

Originally Posted by physicsmonk

Sir what i meant was we have a very inward looking streak to ourselves. Although we wish to be counted amongst comity of nations we have no concrete plan for the same.add to it an indecisive leadership that loves to take a moral highground at the drop of the hat.

Take out the Commi BA$TARDS and we are fine. India as of know has the IOA high on its agenda. That's a quite OK strategic appetite. Once we solidify ourselves here...even the mediterranian sea migt also interest us.

Originally Posted by Alex_Ivanov

I have to agree here. Targeting rockets (if it is necessary for national security) must be done silently, everyone already knows that Russia is still capable of destroying some countries completely, there's no need to remind.

Take out Iran. We will Praise You.
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Originally Posted by Adux

It will be diplomatic stupidity to keep on provoking Russia, when in reality Russia and the west has the enemy now : Islamic Terrorism.

There's no denying the presence of Islamic Extremism, I just fail to see a neo-ussr as a good ally against al-qaeda.

Like a bout of Ebola to do away with a malignant tumor.

Originally Posted by Lunatock

There's no denying the presence of Islamic Extremism, I just fail to see a neo-ussr as a good ally against al-qaeda.

Like a bout of Ebola to do away with a malignant tumor.

Russia will be as USSR as the West wants it to be,

Pushing Russia to the corner, and treating it as some kind of a 3rd world country which lost a war to US, hasnt exactly helped our cause.

Originally Posted by Adux

treating it as some kind of a 3rd world country which lost a war to US, hasnt exactly helped our cause.

Ironical thing is that Russia does indeed fit that description. They are just finding it hard to cope going from being a world super-power to simply being just another "world power". Maybe that is why Putin still likes to keep the confrontation with America alive. It not only gives him a strong image, but also gives all of Russia a sense of power and authority; which they do probably long for again.

Originally Posted by Tronic

Ironical thing is that Russia does indeed fit that description. They are just finding it hard to cope going from being a world super-power to simply being just another "world power". Maybe that is why Putin still likes to keep the confrontation with America alive. It not only gives him a strong image, but also gives all of Russia a sense of power and authority; which they do probably long for again.

Quite a simplistic layman view, looking at a very complex country like Russia. It might be the only '3rd' world country which has the capacity to fly ICBM's anywhere in the world as well help NASA keep ISS on track. So many other.

You forget the Russia on its birth inherited the aresnal and strategic commodities of the Soviet Union with 26 million dollars in their coffers. If that is not the ideal ground for gold diggers, i dont know what?? Oligarchs.

Again quite a simplistic view of Putin, You easily ignore the reasons and factors. Ask this question to yourself, Is Putin acting or reacting???? A person who has above 80% approval ratings from independent western media doesnt need tensions with US, to consolidate power, he is not Musharraf.

Lets for a minute remove Putin mania and build a scenario.
What if Putin is heading a group of people who are staunch nationalist, bend upon rebuilding Russia into a super power it was, By people who are not actually interested in power grabing for personal or domestic complusions. The way it is going, You can expect the Russians to be standing up in the next decade and half.

And continuing my interest in Russian Federation, I was watching Inside Russia series in BBC, HArdtalk Stephen Sauker's interview with Yegor Gaidar,the second prime minister of Russian Federation. He was poisoned in ireland, but later recovered, a harsh critic of Putin and also a person held responsible by Russian people for the dismal situation in the 1990's.

When asked wether Russian Government was responsible for the attempt on his life,

"In my life and politics, things are bit more complicated and it is not what you see or think"

On November 28, 2006, Yegor Gaidar was found unconscious in County Kildare, Ireland where he had been presenting his new book Lasting Time: Russia in the World. He was taken to a Dublin hospital but doctors said there was no serious threat to his health. There have been suspicions of a poisoning but Gaidar and his close ally Anatoly Chubais have refrained from accusing the Russian Security Service.[1] On December 6, 2006, Gaidar did claim in an op-ed published in both Russian-language and English-language publications, that he was poisoned by adversaries of the Russian authorities. He did not elaborate on who these adversaries may be.[citation needed] He repeated his claim on the BBC programme Hardtalk.[2]

Yegor Gaidar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by Adux

Quite a simplistic layman view, looking at a very complex country like Russia. It might be the only '3rd' world country which has the capacity to fly ICBM's anywhere in the world as well help NASA keep ISS on track. So many other.

You forget the Russia on its birth inherited the aresnal and strategic commodities of the Soviet Union with 26 million dollars in their coffers. If that is not the ideal ground for gold diggers, i dont know what?? Oligarchs.

What constitutes a first world country? How well your people are fed, or how many ICBMs you can fly? If the latter, then I think the definition for "first world" may have to be altered to take some nations off the list.

Again quite a simplistic view of Putin, You easily ignore the reasons and factors. Ask this question to yourself, Is Putin acting or reacting???? A person who has above 80% approval ratings from independent western media doesnt need tensions with US, to consolidate power, he is not Musharraf.

He is of the breed who likes to think that Russia has inherited the USSR's cold war. If my country's leaders pushed their weight around in the international arena, i'm sure even their aproval ratings would shoot through the roof. You have to understand a nation's ambitions; and it is no secret that Russians like to play a heavy weight.

Lets for a minute remove Putin mania and build a scenario.
What if Putin is heading a group of people who are staunch nationalist, bend upon rebuilding Russia into a super power it was, By people who are not actually interested in power grabing for personal or domestic complusions. The way it is going, You can expect the Russians to be standing up in the next decade and half.

Those are the ambitions of the leaders and the populace of that country. And I respect them for it.

Originally Posted by Adux

Lets for a minute remove Putin mania and build a scenario.
What if Putin is heading a group of people who are staunch nationalist, bend upon rebuilding Russia into a super power it was, By people who are not actually interested in power grabing for personal or domestic complusions. The way it is going, You can expect the Russians to be standing up in the next decade and half.

I'd say this is the problem that Russia has always had. A top heavy focus on armament production at the expense of the economy that is supposed to support it.

Russia could be rich. It could be a great power, even though the circumstances that turned it into a superpower are long since gone. But it has got to focus on its economy... and it has never done so. Not the heavy industry used by the government and military, not only the industries it can leverage to short term national advantage, the civilian economy has to be a primary concern for Russia to assume that great power role for long. The government and the military have to come after the economy, otherwise they are all diminished in the long run.

Until Russia discovers this they are going to continue to alternate between collapse and catch up every 20-40 years.

Originally Posted by lwarmonger

I'd say this is the problem that Russia has always had. A top heavy focus on armament production at the expense of the economy that is supposed to support it.

Russia could be rich. It could be a great power, even though the circumstances that turned it into a superpower are long since gone. But it has got to focus on its economy... and it has never done so. Not the heavy industry used by the government and military, not only the industries it can leverage to short term national advantage, the civilian economy has to be a primary concern for Russia to assume that great power role for long. The government and the military have to come after the economy, otherwise they are all diminished in the long run.

Until Russia discovers this they are going to continue to alternate between collapse and catch up every 20-40 years.

I couldn't have agreed more. Russia indeed needs to bolster its economy fast and only then should it nurture the Big Power ambition that it inherited from the earstwhile USSR. Mere muscle flexing won't suffice. It simply hasn't got the resources to withstand a long drawn confrontation with the US.