Thread: Russia disappoints the world

Originally Posted by Adux

Tigger,

If you do get time, Please do watch the documentry I talked about, we will talk then. I can bring in one-liners and that is not going to help the discussion.

PS: Indian Newspapers are not biased when it comes Western and Eastern rivalries, Why? International Affairs is not what runs the Politics in my country, its rather domestic. I knew You saw it that way, therefore my suggestion of BBC.

You assume I have not watched it or them lol, one liners, facts, quoted sources it does not matter what people write, you believe that you and only you are right, I told you I was once a supporter of Putin, like you I was duped by his spin machine and pretence of becoming more "western" in thinking, one last time ..................."a leopard does not change his spots"

ps...I would like an answer to the question

LOL ok and him being the "puppet master" is good how ?

other than that, this discussion I feel has reached its conclusion.
Good luck

LOL ok and him being the "puppet master" is good how ?

Lets wait and see that, Till then it is just pure speculation from your side. Western media was already proven wrong in one instance 'amending consitution part for a third term'....

If you have already seen it, What is your opinion on the documentary.

Originally Posted by Adux

Lets wait and see that, Till then it is just pure speculation from your side. Western media was already proven wrong in one instance 'amending consitution part for a third term'....

If you have already seen it, What is your opinion on the documentary.

A complete avoidence of a direct question with a question............as I said Adux, seeing as you cannot answer the question good luck

Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30

A complete avoidence of a direct question with a question............as I said Adux, seeing as you cannot answer the question good luck

good luck to you too.

Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30

So if we add that parties not aligned with the Kremlin,the Independant Liberal parties,Yabloko and the SPS, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, all these parties are much weaker than in the 1990's.
The Republican Party, the Popular Democratic Union and some others have not even been allowed to register for elections.
Isnt this a sign that Putin is dragging Russia back to where it was Politicly, but without the might they had ?

_I haven't even heard of The Republican Party, the Popular Democratic Union are Nazis, SPS and Yabloko became much weaker only because of their own mistakes.
_I even wanted to join SPS three years ago, and thanks God i didn't do that! Their heads had started new policies, absolutely different to that had been started in 90s.

Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30

I think the "support" you talk about comes in mainly from the older generations, who are struggling with the "new" Russia, they find a certain comfort in the old ways of doing things, better the devil you know, Putin is a master of spin amongst other things.

_You are wrong. Putin is mostly popular amongst people between 20 and 40 years old.
Before describing what is taking place in Russia - live here

Hello

Originally Posted by foxhound_nn

_I haven't even heard of The Republican Party, the Popular Democratic Union are Nazis, SPS and Yabloko became much weaker only because their own mistakes.
_I even wanted to join SPS three years ago, and thanks God i didn't do that! Their heads had started new policies, absolutely different to that had been started in 90s.

So take away there right to be a party?

_You are wrong. Putin is mostly popular amongst people between 20 and 40 years old.
Before describing what is taking place in Russia - live here

Ok, again classic Russian thinking and style, do not allow debate, and as for free speech...oh dear !

Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30

So take away there right to be a party?

excuse me? paraphrase please

Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30

Ok, again classic Russian thinking and style, do not allow debate, and as for free speech...oh dear !

oh please, debate, but don't state what you don't know

oh, i didn't read it yet

Originally Posted by lwarmonger

However, this artificially inflates the Russian economy, and in essence turns the ruble into a petro-currency (making manufacturing and other exports less competitive in the long term because the ruble is artificially high).

). Ruble is artificially low. And not because high oil prices, but because its rate of exchange is set daily by Russian Central Bank at knowingly low level, and because of operations of Central Bank on the open market.

Originally Posted by lwarmonger

Problem number three... capricious behavior on the part of a large government against business will inevitably scare business away. Foreign investment and the free exchange of goods are important to any nation, but especially important to Russia. If they are going to grow their important "modern" industries they can't continue to make doing business in Russia difficult for foreigners, because it is that foreign capital that is going to finance those industries and keep them competitive.

) IIRC, when Tony Blair said not to invest in Russia about one year ago, British businessmen said that they WILL invest, because they are businessmen, not politicians, and because business in Russia is mostly profitable

Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30

Using China as a model, as he has, Putin has set the bar (developmentally) lower than it was a 10 years ago, instead of using the US or say Germany as the model.

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Where did you get that Russia uses China as a model?

lol what you are talking about?) ) )

Originally Posted by foxhound_nn

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Where did you get that Russia uses China as a model?

lol what you are talking about?) ) )

Do some research instead of just asking questions, and as you said debate it?

Originally Posted by foxhound_nn

). Ruble is artificially low. And not because high oil prices, but because its rate of exchange is set daily by Russian Central Bank at knowingly low level, and because of operations of Central Bank on the open market.

That isn't true, the ruble is now a freely floating currency... and most estimates that I have seen have indicated that approximately 30% of its value comes from high energy prices (which, combined with other natural resources like timber and iron, coal, ect, account for something like 70% of Russia's exports).

) IIRC, when Tony Blair said not to invest in Russia about one year ago, British businessmen said that they WILL invest, because they are businessmen, not politicians, and because business in Russia is mostly profitable

For the moment... everyone will ride a boom. Two problems though, that growth isn't sustainable on the back of high energy prices, and if Russia decides to nationalize any more industries (and Putin hasn't given me any reason to believe he won't) you will find investors far more reluctant to invest money there.

Originally Posted by lwarmonger

That isn't true, the ruble is now a freely floating currency... and most estimates that I have seen have indicated that approximately 30% of its value comes from high energy prices (which, combined with other natural resources like timber and iron, coal, ect, account for something like 70% of Russia's exports).

oh...
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_what are you telling to me!) I am an economist, I study forex, and I AM IN RUSSIA!) ) and you don't still believe? and it's a 'debate', huh. ok. give me arguments please)
_What? you have no arguments? oh, so pity.
_I have. At least Bank of Russia

_oh, it's not very important theme, but it shows how you debate about Russia)
_really, just think, you are absolutely convinced in something, and that appears to be a mistake. And not only that is a mistake. really.

Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30

Do some research instead of just asking questions

I did) ) )

Originally Posted by foxhound_nn

oh...
) ) )
_what are you telling to me!) I am an economist, I study forex, and I AM IN RUSSIA!) ) and you don't still believe? and it's a 'debate', huh. ok. give me arguments please)
_What? you have no arguments? oh, so pity.
_I have. At least Bank of Russia

_oh, it's not very important theme, but it shows how you debate about Russia)
_really, just think, you are absolutely convinced in something, and that appears to be a mistake. And not only that is a mistake. really.

Take a breath breath deeply, its a debate we are all friends here ..................... I think