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    Recruits grow too soft for the Foreign Legion

    Recruits grow too soft for the Foreign Legion

    Adam Sage in Paris

    The French Foreign Legion, once a magnet for the tough, the ruthless and the desperate, is struggling to cope with modern recruits wedded to family values and pining for the comforts of home.

    The celebrated force has been depleted by a wave of desertions by soldiers who are more interested in singing lullabies and changing nappies than killing their enemies on the battlefield.

    The new legionnaires, who tend to come from wealthy Western countries, notably France, no longer want to put up with the unit’s notoriously harsh lifestyle. Eastern Europeans, Asians and South Americans, on the other hand, are made of sterner stuff and represent a small proportion of the deserters.

    “We’ve always had deserters, but they used to be during wartime in the fighting,” Lieutenant Grégory Gavroy said. “Now they leave to go and look after their families.”

    A total of 286 men abandoned La Légion étrangère last year, he said. Just over half had been given permission to quit before the end of their five-year contract, and the rest deserted.

    Last month 31 went on trial at a military tribunal in Nîmes, southern France, charged with “abandoning their post”, which carries a maximum sentence of three years in prison. The tribunal was lenient and handed out three-month suspended sentences.

    “I deserted to look after my son who’s about to be born,” a legionnaire told Le Figaro newspaper. “I stand by what I did even though I’m not proud of it.” Another told the French daily: “I signed up for the legend of a unit that is unique in the world. The men I met there were always fighting over nothing and the atmosphere was rotten. After five months I took my bag and got on the first train home.”

    The unit, founded in 1831 by King Louis-Philippe, is famed for welding the desperados who form its backbone into a feared fighting machine. Its recruits – men of all nationalities often fleeing their past – are subjected to discipline and conditions far tougher than those imposed on other parts of the French Army. They are often the first to be deployed to dangerous hot-spots. But Le Figaro said: “The legion is facing a generation of soldiers who do not accept the gap between the legionnaire’s life and civil life.”

    Lieutenant Gavroy said that the all-male unit was offering new recruits easier living conditions. “We have to follow the evolution of society and people now want more comfort,” he said. “So we have given them telephones to call home, internet access and hot showers, which we certainly never used to have.”

    However, this has failed to stem the flow of departures, notably involving legionnaires from EU countries.

    Lieutenant Gavroy said: “We get people who come from China on foot or by bicycle to join the legion. Not many of them desert.

    “But the Frenchman who’s come 20 kilometres down the road is a different matter. They come to see what the legion is like but it’s not an easy life here. You have to get up early and train hard. If they miss the comfort of home, they think they haven’t got much to lose if they leave.”

    He added: “Legionnaires arrive on their own but more and more of them find families while they are here and they want to be with their families.”
    Source: Recruits grow too soft for the Foreign Legion - Times Online

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    Interesting. I didn't know the Foreign Legion recruits Frenchmen.

    Apparently the foreign recruits of the Foreign Legion are doing just the same as always. It's the western recruits who can't take the heat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnut View Post
    Interesting. I didn't know the Foreign Legion recruits Frenchmen.
    They don't take Frenchmen as enlistees, but they don't stop you from fibbing about being a French-speaker from Belgium, Switzerland or Canada either With professionalization of French Army, pretty soon the FFL is heading the way of the erstwhile Spanish "Foreign" Legion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnut View Post
    Interesting. I didn't know the Foreign Legion recruits Frenchmen.
    All Officers are French citizens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cactus View Post
    They don't take Frenchmen as enlistees
    Quote Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    All Officers are French citizens.
    Oh yeah...I kept thinking enlisted men and totally forgot about the officer corp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cactus View Post
    pretty soon the FFL is heading the way of the erstwhile Spanish "Foreign" Legion.
    hopefully without the mincing marching :-P

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    I don't think, that kind of soft...)

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    Lieutenant Gavroy said: “We get people who come from China on foot or by bicycle to join the legion. Not many of them desert.
    -- Love that racist tone.



    There are currently 200 Chinese serving in the FL as well and some of them have previous military exp. Not sure how soft are they.


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    Quote Originally Posted by xinhui View Post
    -- Love that racist tone.
    Whats racist about it?
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    That these were dirt poor Chinese who had nothing else in life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    That these were dirt poor Chinese who had nothing else in life.
    He is just saying how someone who has come from far away with difficulty is less likely to desert than someone who just popped up from along the next street -

    Lieutenant Gavroy said: “We get people who come from China on foot or by bicycle to join the legion. Not many of them desert.

    “But the Frenchman who’s come 20 kilometres down the road is a different matter. They come to see what the legion is like but it’s not an easy life here."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironduke View Post
    This doesn't surprise me at all. IMO all the militaries are getting softer, but I really don't want to head back into that debate. At least the FFL is admitting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knaur Amarsh View Post
    He is just saying how someone who has come from far away with difficulty is less likely to desert than someone who just popped up from along the next street -
    Often, these are ex-PLA according to Andy's post. They're anything but dirt poor who arrived on foot or on bicycle.
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    Aren't there laws in China against joining a foreign military? And do they become French citizens and just stay in France afterwards?

    Come to think of it, there are some PRC nationals in the US military as well, though I don't know if they were former PLA.

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