Thread: Future of NATO...

Originally Posted by gunnut

NATO will evolve into the armed wing of EU.

That would be a bless for the world!!!!!

Originally Posted by Shamus

Don't worry Feanor,I get it...but you better go back to the sarcasm blocks for everyone else's benefit .

So that only westerners can have an opinion on everything and dont have to worry about other peoples opinions...or even discus them..
This is the story of your pseudocivilization.
Why is it exactly that Russia is yet again bringing fear to the west?. Why didn't they deal with the Russians as civilized people? why didn't the West Truly help them when they asked for directions after the collapse of communism?
It is more natural and it would be a blessing for the world if Russia and Europe where to come closer. Russia is part of Europe to. USA isn't. I dont see why the Europeans sould stay in close partrnership with the americans and not with the russians. It would be really nice if people didn't mess "way of life" with "civilized world". Whoever haven't the western way of life isn't uncivilized. U think of Russia as the country of Stalin, yet it's the country of Dostoyefsky, Tolstoi and many many other pillars of modern civilization.

Originally Posted by ColSherman82

NATO will need to be stronger in the future to combat rising Russia. Red Storm Rising may not be so far away after all.

And who would protect the world from the warmongers that rule it for the last decades? that is who would protect the world from NATO?
Can someone in here tell me why the non communistic Russia is a threat to you westerners? And why should Europeans feel "safe" with NATO while it only works for the interests of the US? Or isn't it everything that happens now(as it has before) in the Balkans because of the uranium that lies under Kossovo?
Aren't the interests of the US that brought back the war into the heart of Europe?

Originally Posted by JohnFlint1985

I came here from another forum and the amount of people that want to get rid of NATO and any USA connection is simply frightening, So I use this forum over there as a litmus test on what is going on in the minds of Europeans these days. I concluded that anything associated with US is not welcome. This is I think a new European nationalism which replaced national state nationalism from before. Too many Germans and French in particular are very full of themselves because of EU and what it represent. BTW - UK is considered a "traitor" over there - as one of them told me "UK is a traitor to the European cause and we are waiting for the opportune moment to throw them out". So I don't really know what to tell you: be frightened or cheerful. One is unquestionable: in case this ideology will continue living in Europe we will see a huge rift between two sides of the Atlantic. So I prey that new leaders of Franc and Germany change their attitudes and positions vis-a-vi USA.

"THERE WOULD NEVER BE A TRUE EUROPEAN UNION AS LONG AS ENGLAND IS A PART OF IT'
GENERAL CHARLES DE CAUL
(forgive my spelling)

Originally Posted by smilingassassin

You know I'm tempted to ask for the link to the forums, but why would I degrade my brain cells arguing with these Euro-snobs? That guy from Greece has to be about the biggest hypocrite, I don't think I've ever met a skinny Greek...

I dont think my fellow greek ment to give you an idea of your outer appearrence...
by the way .. we are still the sexiest men on earth

Originally Posted by Thiseas

"THERE WOULD NEVER BE A TRUE EUROPEAN UNION AS LONG AS ENGLAND IS A PART OF IT'
GENERAL CHARLES DE CAUL
(forgive my spelling)

Great quote from a man who spent the better part of the war living in the Harehills area of Leeds as guests of Britain while we fought on his soil

Originally Posted by braindead

why ? After all they are the self-proclaimed founders of western civilisation . It is reasonable to guess that they would be the first to go through all stages of the picture

self-proclaimed?
Give back everything you've taken for us and you'll have to spend your night into a cave !
But yet go to a library for a change, read some european history.
I dont have to prove anything here, just go read some history... or anything else.

Originally Posted by Thiseas

self-proclaimed?
Give back everything you've taken for us and you'll have to spend your night into a cave !

Why? Did Greece invent housing?

Originally Posted by Parihaka

Why? Did Greece invent housing?

Only the bit where you dont finish the roof to avoid taxes

Originally Posted by glyn

Ha ha. Pay no attention to that nonsense. Firstly, the Greeks kicked the British out of Athens? Er, no actually. The Brits went to the aid of Greece when it was invaded by the Italians. When the Germans piled in to assist their allies the Brits had to withdraw. They came back at the end of the war though, and even beyond, assisting the Greek government in the civil war when the local communists were being beastly. Secondly, the Greeks never kicked the Brits out of Cyprus. The UK was shedding its colonies under pressure from the USA and as the Greek Terrorists had been subdued the UK negotiated the Soverign Base Areas. Later of course the Turks invaded the northern part of Cyprus (which was where the majority of the Turkish Cypriots resided.) The UN became involved, keeping the Greeks and the Turks apart (as the Brits had done during the EOKA crisis). It appears the US has leased a base on Crete. Big deal. It should be remembered that the US, UK, Greece and Turkey are all members of NATO. It is to the mutual benefit of all concerned.
John, you can't tell me you are impressed with the sort of guff you are finding on the internet forums you have been trawling? Stay on WAB and you need not search out too many others.

THE Brittish Didn't Came To Help Greeks when Greece was attacked by the Italians. They only came when the German came over to help their Italian allies. Not only they din't help the Greeks but they where giving guns and ammunitions to the Germans and Italians by the end of 1943 in order to keep the partisan away from taking over the country after the war was over. Mainland Greece was free of German or other(bulgarian or italian) ocupation
since 1943, and only major cities and ports where occupied.
The British assisted the Germans so that they could control the partisans, who wheren't all off course communists as they where accused to be.
They didn't assist the greek goverment against communism , but the King whom they could control and so control the country (and it's ports).
There where NO GREEK TERRORIST IN CYPRUS, SIPMLY BECAUSE CYPRUS IS A GREEK ISHLAND INVADED BY TURKS AND BOUGHT BY BRITTISH, SO BOTH WHERE STRANGERS, INVADERS AND NO BETTER THAN NAZI'S.
As for the millitary bases in Krete and elsewhere in Greece and Cyprus i'll remind you that there isn't a single Greek that wants them on our land.
For our land is ours and for our use

Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30

Great quote from a man who spent the better part of the war living in the Harehills area of Leeds as guests of Britain while we fought on his soil

And while you where absent from the the fight we where giving against Italians,Germans and Bulgarians.
And while you where even helping them in order to get control of our destroyed country after the war.
And while you where destroing the Greek Army in Africa, by sending them in camps into the desert, to keep them from going back to Greece to fight with the partisans and liberate their country. A country that you needed to control.
Germans respected Athens, you bombed it.
Germans respectet Greece you destroyed it. Actually Germans, Italians and Bulgarians killed less Greeks those years than You did on "our" civil war.
We dont forget!! and we're not the only ones in Europe that suffered from your imperialism.
By the way there could never be a true comunist party in Greece(as claimed) simply because Greeks are to religius and devoded to their Beliefs

Originally Posted by Thiseas

And while you where absent from the the fight we where giving against Italians,Germans and Bulgarians.
And while you where even helping them in order to get control of our destroyed country after the war.
And while you where destroing the Greek Army in Africa, by sending them in camps into the desert, to keep them from going back to Greece to fight with the partisans and liberate their country. A country that you needed to control.
Germans respected Athens, you bombed it.
Germans respectet Greece you destroyed it. Actually Germans, Italians and Bulgarians killed less Greeks those years than You did on "our" civil war.
We dont forget!! and we're not the only ones in Europe that suffered from your imperialism.
By the way there could never be a true comunist party in Greece(as claimed) simply because Greeks are to religius and devoded to their Beliefs

Have you lost your medication my dear chap ?

Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30

Only the bit where you dont finish the roof to avoid taxes

Just the way to build houses. By the way , we keep in our Museums our own works. You Brittish keep our own to.

Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30

Have you lost your medication my dear chap ?

Believe me i know what i am writting. The Greek Civil War was your work. That is History recorded from your foreighn office's top secret files, which where opened lately. Read about the Varkiza Treaty. Read about the way you abandoned the Greeks fighting alone in Rupell against Germans and Bulgarians, while you could have helped us.
Read about the way you manipulated greek politicians and a destroyed country in order to save your "empire"