Methinks, Putin will be the "next boss". As for the next President, I'm afraid Ivanov will be the one. But you never know for sure, of course.
Wednesday, September 12, 2007. Issue 3741. Page 9.
A Real Transfer of Power as Putin's Surprise
By Yevgeny Kiselyov
The election campaigning season has begun, and in a little less than three months we will know which parties have made it into the new State Duma and which have not. In less than six months we will finally have an answer to the nagging question that's been troubling us for so long: Who will be the next president?
With regard to the parties, it is pretty clear that United Russia will win over 50 percent of the seats in the Duma. A two-thirds majority is necessary, however, to amend the Constitution and to pass a number of other important measures. So the Kremlin will likely need the cooperation of another party. A Just Russia, another pro-Kremlin party expected to win a fair number of seats in the Duma, looks made for this supporting role. The Communist Party will probably place third.
That leave just two other parties with a chance at reaching the new 7 percent threshold necessary to qualify for seats: Vladimir Zhirinovsky's Liberal Democratic Party and the Union of Right Forces. It would come as no surprise if both failed, and the whole affair already feels rather boring, vapid and predictable.
Perhaps this explains why there are so many incredible stories circulating about the presidential vote. People need intrigue. Rumors abound of unexpected appointments and dismissals, dark horse candidates for successor whom President Vladimir Putin will produce from up his sleeve at the right moment.
These conspiracy theories usually come from writers lacking inside information from the Kremlin and trying to hide this with stories taken from the realm of political fantasy.
I claim no exclusive knowledge here and definitely have no idea what is going on in Putin's mind, but I do know that whatever is going on in there will ultimately determine everything else. A lack of transparency is the distinguishing feature of politics under Putin. Nevertheless, I am sure that the real causes of events are pretty straightforward and searching for intricate and convoluted explanations leads nowhere.
Putin is certainly concerned about life after he leaves office. He can't afford the kind of pariah status achieved by Belarussian President Alexander Lukashenko, who is effectively confined to his own country. To avoid such a risk, it is important that he pass along the presidency in strict adherence to all legal procedural requirements so that nobody can later accuse him of violations, manipulations or intrigues. This means he has to leave at the end of this term.
And I am increasingly convinced there will be no surprise successor. Putin will name the candidate who most frequently appears on television, receives the most positive press, and does best in the polls.
That probably means First Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov.
If you don't agree, give me three good arguments why he would not be a suitable successor.
Many have long held that Ivanov would be a tough sell in the West, but this seems unfounded. Western leaders are pragmatists. Ivanov has traveled widely and met with presidents, prime ministers and foreign ministers, including U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, with whom he has a good relationship. Ivanov lived in the West for years and has a decent command of English, as well as Swedish. Being able to speak to other leaders without a translator and understanding their way of life to some degree is another factor in his favor.
Some suggest a second president with a KGB background is going too far, but that is unlikely to sway Putin, who has consistently named former security service officers to major posts. He seems to believe they have a particular merit, so why should he abandon this staffing principle when choosing a successor?
True, Ivanov's tenure as defense minister was inauspicious, if not disastrous. But rocket failures and hazing scandals seem not to have blemished his reputation too seriously. The main consideration for Putin seems not to be performance, but loyalty.
Ivanov has known Putin since their student days. He has free access to the president at almost any time and can even visit Putin at his home unannounced on weekends. Kremlin insiders say that Putin trusts Ivanov more than any other member of his inner circle. He does not seem to be beholden to any of the Kremlin's different factions. He is Putin's man and nobody else's.
It is said that the siloviki -- which include Kremlin deputy chiefs of staff Igor Sechin and Viktor Ivanov and Federal Security Service chief Nikolai Patrushev -- opposes an Ivanov candidacy, fearing he has dangerous hidden liberal tendencies. But they have not managed to offer an alternative. If Putin asked them whom they would prefer, it would end the discussion.
It seems to me that the biggest mistake observers make in trying to guess Putin's plan is in assuming that the next president will be as categorically domineering a leader as Putin is. Putin himself might want to create a balance of power. The next president will start off in a weaker political position because Putin's unprecedented and unwavering popularity cannot simply be passed along to his successor. So this relatively weak president could be paired with, for example, a strong, independent and ambitious prime minister. Russian Railways chief Vladimir Yakunin would be an option, along with Kremlin Chief of Staff Sergei Sobyanin or the presidential envoy to the Southern Federal District, Dmitry Kozak. Putin could create a few centers of power that would compete among themselves, thus preventing any one group from gaining ascendancy.
There is also the possibility of a system operating on the basis of a more collective leadership -- one that has popped up a few times in Russian history. This was the system that operated following Lenin's death and before Stalin gained the upper hand. Following Stalin's death, Politburo members Vyacheslav Molotov and Georgy Malenkov seemed more powerful figures than Nikita Khrushchev. After Khrushchev's ouster, it wasn't immediately clear whether Leonid Brezhnev or Prime Minister Alexei Kosygin was in charge.
Ultimately, however, the person holding the most important office -- party leader in the Soviet era and president today -- has such an advantage that he accrues ultimate authority in the end.
Putin is undoubtedly aware of all these historical examples, but might very well try to buck the trend anyway. The walls of the Kremlin seem to exert a strange and unusual power that deprives the occupant of the ability to view his own situation objectively just when he needs to do so most. The way in which Mikhail Gorbachev retired from office in 1991 bears witness to the fact that the Soviet Union's first and last president did not fully understand that the move marked the end of his political career. He would be unable to influence events in Russia further, much less return to power.
It is entirely possible that former President Boris Yeltsin did not understand that he would quickly become nothing more than a retiree in a golden cage and would play no further political role.
No Russian leader has yet to manage the trick pulled by Chinese leader Deng Xiapong, who continued to wield considerable power after leafing office. Putin himself has hinted that he intends to do so as well, and him trying to pull it off might be the most interesting show of all.
Yevgeny Kiselyov is a political analyst.
A Real Transfer of Power as Putin's Surprise
Quite an intrigue is doing the rounds.
Who will be the next boss?
Any takers?
"Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."
I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.
HAKUNA MATATA
Methinks, Putin will be the "next boss". As for the next President, I'm afraid Ivanov will be the one. But you never know for sure, of course.
Putin isn't the real power figure. The real power is in hand of shadow figures behind his back. Putin is simply the figure head of the FSB, or органы in Russian. It doesn't matter who the next president is, he will still pursue the agendas he is told to pursue.
Leaving conspiracy theories aside, I found this normal. In almost any country there're groups fighting for power, changing each other at the top. And head of state is usually more or less controlled by its political clan, or party, he is "one of the many".
The problem is, there's hardly more than one 'power group' in Russia today. "Opposition" lost long before Putin came to power. By 1999 every single political party and movement lost any wide popular support, resulting in 'we trust nobody' attitude in society. Putin himself was product of this 'trust crisis', he symbolised some sort of new hope.
Who'll be the next boss is a very hard question. I just hope next president will continue to do what Putin has begun. Revolutionary changes is the last thing Russia needs today, tomorrow and ever. We had enough revolutions already.
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Scroll down to see how many more Russians voted communist between 2003 and 2007.
And Alex Ivanov: ты серьезно защищаешь беспредел при Путине? избиение демонстраций? политические процессы?
[QUOTE=Feanor;407157]Scroll down to see how many more Russians voted communist between 2003 and 2007. [QUOTE]
Care to post figures for other parties, movements and blocs so we can see full vote distribution. Then we'll discuss it.
Спустись на землю, какой беспредел? Сейчас даже менты взятки брать перестали, прикинь? Если по старой привычке суешь пятьсот рублей вместе с документами, напоминают о соответствующей статье. Приходится с темы съезжать: что вы, случайно в документы завалилась.And Alex Ivanov: ты серьезно защищаешь беспредел при Путине? избиение демонстраций? политические процессы?
Какие демонстрации? Кто порядок нарушает, у тех с милицией проблемы, а кто спокойно себе демонстрирует - у тех нет. Наблюдал намедни акцию молодых "яблочников". Пришло 10 человек с флагом, постояли - разошлись, все их дружно проигнорировали, в том числе милиция. А если б они пусть даже вдесятером пошли по проезжей части, да с флагами, попали бы в обезьянник, и поделом. Избиение демонстраций, ага. Наши западные друзья такое схавают, им расскажи. У нас здесь на это не ведутся.
А политические процессы - это Ходорковский что ли? Или полоумный журналист Пасько? Смеяться вот тут не надо только!
О! ты еще карательную психиатрию забыл! Но, честно говоря, Разные Новодворские, Каспаровы, итд действительно производят впечатление людей неизлечимо больных, так что иной раз думается, что советские психиатры хорошо свое дело знали, когда подобных отправляли подлечиться.
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Спустись на землю, какой беспредел? Сейчас даже менты взятки брать перестали, прикинь? Если по старой привычке суешь пятьсот рублей вместе с документами, напоминают о соответствующей статье. Приходится с темы съезжать: что вы, случайно в документы завалилась.
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really ?... really ?
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It is considered ill manners to talk in another language in someone else's home. The WAB is an English based forum.
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Voronezh. Admiralty square. 2004. July. Twice as many cops as AKM/NBP/CPRF activists. BTRs and armored buses. Omon. Dozens arrested, beaten. No press coverage of the whole thing because they blocked off the entire downtown. I was there.
EDIT: Don't look at Yabloko. Look at the more opposition parties and organizations. Yabloko is what I would call pridvornaya oppositsiya. They're ''opposition'' for the sake of creating the image of a democracy. They're not opposition because they really think they can get into power.
Last edited by Feanor; 17 Sep 07, at 20:51.
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I'm sorry, sir. Feanor asked how can I support Putin's "bespredel" (I'm not sure if there's adequate translation of this word)
My points made in Russian, briefly:
1. Police stopped taking bribes
2. Demonstrators that do not break rules do not have any problems with police
3. 'Political cases' like that of Khodorkovsky, aren't really 100% political.
4. Mental health of some dissidents is indeed in danger, so treatment they got from Soviet psychiatrists wasn't in all probability 100% political too.
Please note, that everything I say is limited to my own expirience, mainly in my region. I don't have a habit of saying something I don't know for sure. Statements like 'One grandmother said that other grandmothers at marketplace heard...' or 'It's obvious to everyone' or 'As we all know' - aren't my style. If you have had another expirience with Russian police recenlty, you're welcome to post it hereOriginally Posted by braindead
Their pay was risen noticeably indeed. But it's not the main factor of course. The main change took place in police department of internal security I suppose. Cams, dictaphones, reports, etc. In spite of their monitoring of cops' activity, there're ways to hide the fact of bribe, but it must be really big one to cover risks. Big bribe makes sense if you have serious problem with police, but majority of citizens never have any really serious problems. So in most cases it is much easier for both sides to act according to law. And the situation has changed radically since 2000, for sure.Originally Posted by Stan187
Another example - annual car's checkup. Earlier you could easily get your certificate without really passing the chekup, for money, or due to friendship with police sergeant Vasya. Today it becomes much harder due to new control measures.
Last edited by Alex_Ivanov; 18 Sep 07, at 02:16.
You guys can't demonstrate peacefully, that's where your problems come from. I've never seen AKM here, only NBP. Overall impression - guys are looking for trouble anywhere they are, but they don't like of course, when they finally find it.Repressions, purges - I call it law enforcement
Feanor, throw away you revolutionary ideas. Look around, people are not waiting for you - their saviour. Quite the contrary, they do not want saviours like you to come again. They just got possibility to work, earn, grow children, plan their future, not to lost everything they have in another bloody revolution. Try to be normal citizen - finish your education, find interesting, useful and high-payed job, get married, etc. That is the way to make your country better, not your destructive dreams.They're not opposition because they really think they can get into power.
It was pretty damn peaceful until we realized there were more cops then protesters at the scene, and until the exits were blockaded by armored buses and BTRs.
And after you realized that, you decided it couldn't be peaceful and began to seek for trouble?Not to say that your demostration wasn't properly declared and ajusted with officials, don't flatter yourself - there were just standard armored buses of omon, if there really were BTRs, that could probably mean you were armed, and if so, it's a grave crime, you know.
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