Thread: Russian Military Doctrine

Zraver, Thanks for the facts.

Alex_Ivannov has answered many of your questions. I agree with him.

Originally Posted by zraver

The sources of possible conflict

First off China and Russia have a long standing dispute over parts of Mongolia and Siberia.

First, China and Russia solved their disputes over their border. The last disputed 3 islands in the bordering river were divided between China and Russia . China and Russia each got a small island. The larger island was divided into 2 parts, one part for China and one part for Russia .
China-Russia border agreement example for settling disputes: FM

I didn’t know any disputes over any part of Mongolia either.

Secondly is the fact that the PRC is an expansionist regime having fought 4 wars on forgien soil since is creation as an agressor state

Second, we don’t agree that PRC fought 4 wars on foreign soil since its creation. PRC fought Korea war on Korea soil by invitation. China fought Sino-Vietnam war partly on Vietnam soil for border dispute and other reasons. There is debate in China today if we should fight that war the way we fought for red Cambodia although most people still support China’s Koran war effort. Today, I don’t think that China wants to fight another Koran war either against N. Korea or protecting N. Korea.

Anyway, American went thousand miles come to fight. China fought in front of its door. The China fought other wars on disputed areas.

Thirdly is massive population pressure

Third, I agree that it is a massive pressure but if you deal with it wisely, it becomes your competition strength. It is China’s competition strength now.

Fourth is massive Chinese imigrant incursions into Russia.

Fourth, how massive? More than Mexican immigrant incursions to American? Will Mexican immigrant causes war between Mexico and America ?

China is a poor country. Poor Chinese just like poor Mexican go to American looking for a better life for themselves and their families. Giving the opportunity, the hard working Chinese go to anywhere in the world. The new Russian immigration law will drive many Chinese back to China .

Fifth China has a huge demand for resources it does not hav ein enough quantity to be self suffieicent, Russia has them.

Fifth, I totally agree with Alex_Ivannov, buying resources is much easier than going to war with any country, no need to mention the mighty Russia.

These and other factors can combine in a multitude of ways to spark a conflict.

The Threat

10-1 population advantage

better technology in many areas including things like computers and information management

Rapidly increasing domestic advanced heavy industry with new tanks and planes on par with Russia's.

stronger economic footing and massive cash reserves

Has most of the Russian goodies and technology to study

Nuclear weapons

bigger defence budget

All of the above sitting right next door to Russia not hundreds or thousands of Km away like NATO or the US

NATO is rushing to Russsia's heart land, the Europe Russia.


During China’s terrible “culture revolution” era, China and USSR was in much worse relation. In my personal opinion, I think that Mao should bear more responsibility than Khrushchev should in the break of China/USSR relation. Of cause, Khrushchev's big brother attitude and his proposal of a joint Navy would not be well accepted by Mao.

China/USSR relation was calmed and then improved even before USSR's disintegration. When Gorbachev visited Beijing in May 1989, Chinese students occupied Tiananmen square demanding democracy. The Deng Xiaoping must have been embarrassed greatly.

Mao’s era died with him. Communism is a foreign idea, good or bad. Chinese come back to their traditional culture. Chinese don’t have extreme religious ideology and can be friend to everyone. Respect the older, respect the order, respect the discipline, respect the neighbor and respect each other are Chinese culture. Chinese are not expansionists after main stream Chinese culture prevailed in Han dynasty almost 2000 years ago. After Han dynasty, most China's expansion was caused by China's invaders. They invaded China and brought their land into China. They accepted Chinese culture and finally become Chinese. The same story repeated itself many times. Those new Chinese were normally more aggressive than the Chinese. China was a little bit aggressive in Tang dynasty, but some people believe that the Tang emperors were Chinesenized Hun (匈奴) or Chinese influenced by Hun culture. However, they created the golden age for China .

In Ming Dynasty, from 1405 to 1433, Zheng He led the largest fleet in the world at that time and traveled to Africa, but Chinese did not enslave Africans, did not occupy any places and did not loot the locals. That answered the question of Alex_Ivanov why China hadn't colonized Siberia and Far East before Russians came there. Chinese culture developed from land agriculture. Chinese hardly go to places that can not farm in that time. Chinese lived on their own hard working. China's ancient north neighbors frequently lived on looting China. If China didn’t have communist and Mao, I am not even sure whether China would have the courage to get Tibet back.

Chinese are hard working to make small amount of money to support their family. Sending their kids to a better school is much much more important to them than any other things in the world. My parents saved every penny for my education. China is finally getting a better time to heal its wounds caused by itself and others. We don't want any wars with anyone unless is imposed. Chinese defense budget is really for defense. I think that among the 5 UNSC permanent members, China is the only one that had announced nuclear policy of “No First Use” to any countries since the first day it tested nuke.