Russian Military Doctrine

**Ray** · 06 Feb 07,, 04:28

Gunnut,

So it proves very clearly that there has to be a national language.

English in the case of the USA.

Or else it should have been some American Indian language, they being the original inhabitants!

**Alex_Ivanov** · 06 Feb 07,, 05:19

Originally Posted by gunnut

Incorrect comparison.

These 2 immigrants are not hired by the government to provide a service to the general public. They were simply there. They have no obligation to answer any questions by the driver, even if they speak English.

Emergency workers are hired by the government to offer assistance to the public, sometimes under great duress and hardship. They should speak the official language of the nation. Anything else is a bonus. Anything short is unacceptable.

First of all that was a joke, not some kind of serious comment. Second, I already said what I think about official languages and such. Third, the case happened during Soviet era, when Russian was official language everyone should've understand regardless of nationality. Doctor knew official language of a country he worked in. But I understand feelings of estonian member.

P.S. braindead, another doctor in another city and another country was unable to save life of my grandmother, although they both were Russian speakers. It's a question of professionalism rather than language barrier.

**Ruskiy** · 06 Feb 07,, 06:03

Originally Posted by Alex_Ivanov

Anecdote: Two immigrants from SU are standing on a street in New York. A car stops near them, and American driver asks them in English for directions to some place. They look at American and do not answer anything, because do not understand a signle word. American repeats his question a couple of times, and finally drives away. One immigrant tells another in Russian: And does his English help him in America?

That's a good one lol

**BD1** · 06 Feb 07,, 20:17

Alex - ´Third, the case happened during Soviet era, when Russian was official language everyone should've understand regardless of nationality. Doctor knew official language of a country he worked in.´´

- no , she did not - she knew only ONE official language , not the one spoken by majority of population , but one that was her own native language . And I´m sorry about your Grandma ...

My own attitude to SU is complex. It was very paradoxical country. It had done much damage to culture and traditions of all nations, Russians included, from the other side, it had done a lot to save and develop national cultures. Overall, I give SU credit for some achievements, but there're things I can not ever forgive.

- It obviously depends one´s point of view. In my view Communism is together with Nazism the plague of last century. And therefore it´s hard to give credit something that is thoroughly corrupt, double-standarded, rotten regime . There are only some things one could rate ´´good´´ - first - you could travel on 1/6-th of earth ,and that´s pretty big piece of land , but that has nothing to do with politics, more with landscape

. (btw , I ´ve been in Karelia , and love to visit Kamtchatka -( where exactly you live?), but it´s half a globe away). second - basic school education was pretty sound , but not much more.

**Alex_Ivanov** · 06 Feb 07,, 21:31

Originally Posted by braindead

and love to visit Kamtchatka -( where exactly you live?), but it´s half a globe away).

Petropavlovsk-Kamchatskiy. As for other points, I see that our differencies are in fact insignificant (if we compare our views with all our attention), and discussion can result in arguing about nothing, so we have to stop.

**omon** · 06 Feb 07,, 21:39

guys, you paint single event like it was very common, i don,t get one thing, where were the estonian doctors? how come russian only speaking doctor,from russia was there in the first place?
i lost both of my granperents 2 weeks apart. my grandfather spoke 4 languages, didn't help him, my grandmother couldn't speak a word in any language for a good year before she died, so who do i blame?
what about soviet doctors, who went to africa, and middle east to help people there? for no extra money,or any kind of payment, very few of them spoke lokal language, some of them didn't come home, should we blame them for all deaths in africa and M.E.?
soviet doctors were doctors in their hearts, not like us doctors who in it for money,at least most of them.
yes there were isolated unfortunate events, but no way you can blame soviet regime for that.

**BD1** · 06 Feb 07,, 22:26

Omon - it happened in ´´Border Zone´´ . Locals had restricted access to those areas , so our seaboard was populated in some areas by more trustworthy people , like immigrants (there was a minor shipyard in the city + nearby was Baltic Fleet´s top secret degaussing(?) range).
Oh and I have the greatest respect to any medical doctor who does his/her job well and with heart. But I still think that any proffesional in any country should be able to communicate with all his customers

. There is a difference about a medical worker who goes to Africa for a year or a local doctor who spends her life here.
But at last count this thread has devoted at least 4 pages to medical services and my Granny. So I agree with Alex that would be quite enough

**Ruskiy** · 07 Feb 07,, 20:28

Ok, I'll stop about doctors after this post.
Soviet doctors had to spend 4 years of general medical education and then 4 more years on their profession. This think meant that in case of a war those 4 first years have tought all the doctors to do the emergency stuff so a pediatritian could operate and dentist could take broken bones back together which brought Soviet Medical field on a high rank and affectivnes in case of the war.

**Stan187** · 07 Feb 07,, 22:03

Originally Posted by Ruskiy

Ok, I'll stop about doctors after this post.
Soviet doctors had to spend 4 years of general medical education and then 4 more years on their profession. This think meant that in case of a war those 4 first years have tought all the doctors to do the emergency stuff so a pediatritian could operate and dentist could take broken bones back together which brought Soviet Medical field on a high rank and affectivnes in case of the war.

You got official sources for that information?

**omon** · 07 Feb 07,, 22:10

Originally Posted by Stan187

You got official sources for that information?

what kind of official sources for that information would you like to see, name them, and what is doubtfull about his post?

**Stan187** · 08 Feb 07,, 03:26

Originally Posted by omon

what kind of official sources for that information would you like to see, name them, and what is doubtfull about his post?

Wait a minute, so you want me to name the sources that I asked to have named.... ok...

**Alex_Ivanov** · 08 Feb 07,, 05:13

Originally Posted by Stan187

You got official sources for that information?

Take, for example, dentists, and look through this:
url=http://www.edu.ru/db/portal/spe/plan_zip/040400p.html
It's official state plan for teaching stomatologists.

It's in Russian, so I post most important figures here:

Full course takes 10422 hours:

1731 hours - humanitarian, social and economic disciplines, such as foreign language, history, sociology, politology, russian language, philosophy, economics, law, latin language, etc.

2624 hours - natural, mathimatic and biologic disciplines, such as physics, mathimatics, chemistry, biology, anatomy, microbiology, virusology, immunology, pathologic anatomy, normal physiology pathologic physiology, pharmacology, embryology, etc.

467 hours - prophylactic disciplines

1979 hours - clinic disciplines: internal diseases, physiotherapy, surgery, surgical diseases, radio-diagnostics and radio-therapy, military and emergency therapy, infections, dermatology, neurology, otorhinolaryngology, psychiatry, ophtalmology, pediatry, midwifery, etc.

And only then, at higher grades, somatological disciplines (3621 hours):
general stomatology, therapy in stomatology, surgical stomatology, orthopedic stomatology, child stomatology, etc.

As we see, specialisation takes one-third of the whole course, not even a half, two-halfs are dedicated to other branches of medicine, so Ruskiy was absolutely right when he said that Russian dentist is well able to put broken bone back and operate a patient in case of emergency. Of course, it's wrong to say that he is able to do it better than specialist-surgeon, but sometimes there's no choice.

The same with other specialisations.

P.S. No matter how doctors are taught, there're brilliant ones among them, and less brilliant, to say it soft.

**gunnut** · 08 Feb 07,, 06:52

Originally Posted by Ray

Gunnut,

So it proves very clearly that there has to be a national language.

English in the case of the USA.

Or else it should have been some American Indian language, they being the original inhabitants!

Oh yes, I agree there should be a national language.

English is not the official language of the USA. In fact, we don't have an official language. Some states have passed laws stating English as the official language. Of course, the leftist socialist hippie commie liberals are up in arms about it.

**~~MrFirst~~** · 08 Feb 07,, 08:20

Something more about paranoia:

The United States has to boost its military machine to meet all threats and not just the war in Iraq, US Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Wednesday. "We need the full range of military capabilities. We need ... the ability for regular force-on-force conflicts, because we don't know what's going to develop in places like Russia and China, in North Korea, in Iran and elsewhere," he told the House of Representatives Armed Services committee.
US Military Must Stand Ready To Face Threats Says Gates