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Reply With QuoteDuuuh... where else can you find such bludsucking punks... It was not immediately clear who the gunmen are, but correspondents say it bears the hallmarks of Chechen rebels.
An armed gang are holding up to 150 pupils hostage after seizing a school in southern Russia, leaving at least two people dead.
Fifteen children have reportedly been released at the secondary school in Beslan, North Ossetia.
At least 17 masked men and women, some wearing explosive belts, stormed the school as more than 200 pupils gathered for the first day of the new term.
They are reported to have demanded the withdrawal of troops from Chechnya.
They have also threatened to kill 50 children for every one of their group killed by security forces, a regional official said.
"They have said that for every fighter wiped out they will kill 50 children and for every fighter wounded, 20," Interior Minister Kazbek Dzantiyev was quoted by Reuters news agency as saying.At first I simply thought it was a joke. Then they began to fire in the air and we ran away
Pupil Zaurbek Tsumaratov
The incident comes amid heightened security in Russia after a suspected suicide bomb attack in Moscow on Tuesday night and the bombing of two passenger planes last week.
New school term
Wednesday was the first day back for millions of children across Russia and parents also attend what is traditionally a day of celebration.
The attackers stormed the secondary school in Beslan at around 0930 local time (0530GMT), shortly after a ceremony welcoming in the new school year.
"We were standing in lines next to the gates. Music was being played," pupil Zaurbek Tsumaratov told RTR Russia TV after managing to escape.
"I saw three people running in there with sub-machine guns. At first I simply thought it was a joke. Then they began to fire in the air and we ran away."
More than 200 pupils, parents and teachers were said to have been moved to the school gym. Up to 50 children were able to flee during the move, according to reports.
Russian security forces and police troops were surrounding the building in Beslan, a town 15kms (10 miles) north of Vladikavkaz, capital of the North Ossetia republic, which borders Chechnya.
The attackers were believed to have laid mines and trip wires, threatening to blow up the school if stormed by police.
Gunfire and explosions could be heard in the area.REPORTED DEMANDS
Release of fighters from Ingushetia prisons
Withdrawal of Russian troops from Chechnya
Negotiations with top regional officials
Two civilians were reported to have been killed after being caught in the cross-fire.
Itar-Tass said a regional Muslim community leader was brought in to negotiate, but the hostage-takers refused to talk to him saying they would only deal with top officials.
Later, Russia's Itar-Tass news agency reported 15 children had been released.
Putin under pressure
Russian President Vladimir Putin broke off a working holiday on the Black Sea to return to Moscow following the school siege.
The BBC's Damian Grammaticas in Moscow says the president now has a major crisis on his hands, and will be under pressure to bring the stand-off to a peaceful conclusion.
It was not immediately clear who the gunmen are, but correspondents say it bears the hallmarks of Chechen rebels.RECENT DEADLY ATTACKS
31 Aug 2004 - Suicide bomb kills 10 at north Moscow train station
24 Aug 2004 - Two planes crash after leaving same Moscow airport, killing 89
May 2004 - Chechen president killed in blast at stadium in Grozny
Feb 2004: Bomb attack kills at least 39 people on Moscow underground
Dec 2003 - female suicide bomber kills five near Red Square
They have a history of taking hostages to draw international attention to their demands for independence from Russia - the most notorious incident being the Moscow theatre siege in 2002, which left 129 hostages dead.
The latest siege comes a day after a suspected suicide bomb attack at a train station in north Moscow, which killed at least 10 people and injured more than 50.
An Islamist group, calling itself the Islambouli Brigades, claimed responsibility and described the attack as "part of the wave of support and assistance to the Muslim Chechens".
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/h...pe/3616868.stm
Duuuh... where else can you find such bludsucking punks... It was not immediately clear who the gunmen are, but correspondents say it bears the hallmarks of Chechen rebels.
So the Muslims kill 16 Israelis, 10 Russians, and now they take over a school in a matter of two days. Not to even mention the two downed aircraft. They are just asking for an ass whoping.
Yes, my tolerance is wearing a bit thin. If the Muslims dont support these thugs and killers I say launch a rally, hunt down and kill the terrorists., do anything because in the words of GWB either you are with us or your are against us, and it seems they are against us.Originally Posted by Praxus
Yes, there are good Muslims but everytime I turn around, they blow something up or kill someone and Muslim leaders and people dont utter a word against it, we have Muslims in NYC launching protests in support of the Palestinian sucide bombers, Muslims flocking to fight the "evil American infidels" all over the world, inlcuding crossing the Mexican border under the guise of being illegal aliens.
i just sent my son off to his first day of school, and i hear stuff like this, im fed up, muslims better speek out hard against this, i mean hard.
here the sick, sad, thing, if they give in to thier demands, schools all across russia, (and anywhere else) will be targets.
Last edited by Donnie; 01 Sep 04, at 19:01.
Whoever is unjust let him be unjust still
Whoever is righteous let him be righteous still
Whoever is filthy let him be filthy still
Listen to the words long written down
When the man comes around- Johnny Cash
Alright booooooo. There, now get off my Muslim Back :D
Its CHECHENS doing it! Keep it political!
Without a doubt its sick! Little kids? Now c'mon, thats gay! Whatever happened to "be a man!?" I might support their freedom cause, but I won't support their struggle. Because #1 They'll never get it this way, #2 If you're not going to raise your intellect at a certain level above that of your enemy, you're just going to remain that way.
I just hope the Russians are smarter when it comes to handling it this time. In each hostage situation they end up killing more of them than the hostage takers.
Fucking courageous, ai'nt they, holding kids as hostage.
Kaffir kids are legitimate target according to muslim terrorist
So you believe an Islamic Theocracy is more morally virtuos then the Russian Government?Without a doubt its sick! Little kids? Now c'mon, thats gay! Whatever happened to "be a man!?" I might support their freedom cause, but I won't support their struggle. Because #1 They'll never get it this way, #2 If you're not going to raise your intellect at a certain level above that of your enemy, you're just going to remain that way.
I am a muslim ... and I am disgusted by these cowards who think that by taking children hostage they are :men: .... they are nothing by pussies ...
looks like they are totally under control of saudi wahabbis and arab extremists ...
No doubt about Russians killing off Chechen civi's like it's no big deal. And all through the twentieth century Russian Leaders cared just as much, or less about killing millions of Russians.
No denying that Putin has enough blood on his hands for a few swimming pools & a jacuzzi, but the Chechen Rebels are trying to give him a run for his money.
Well I'm not a big fan of theocracies. But I really can't answer that. Let's just say you've given me poor choices. Islamic Theocracy does try to uphold morals, but I don't like it since governance is not just all goody morals and I feel under the present circumstances implementing such a system would be stupidity.
I know I still haven't answered your question but if you want just a yes/no without an explanation, then..... yes.
I don't suppor the chechen cause because they're muslims. It's a legit territorial dispute that needs to be solved, but not by fighting like crazy like this.
thats not what i meant, im talking about the muslim leaders, i know most individuals are against this behavior. i would just like to see them saying they are being bad muslims.
regardless of how they handle it the blame lies squarley on the hostage takers, just as any blood spilled by russia is thiers as well, but these actions are the reason they will never get international support. at this point i could NEVER support them, no matter how good thier cause.
Last edited by Donnie; 02 Sep 04, at 00:23.
Whoever is unjust let him be unjust still
Whoever is righteous let him be righteous still
Whoever is filthy let him be filthy still
Listen to the words long written down
When the man comes around- Johnny Cash
Rebels do not purposely target, or even threaten children, this is criminal scum. Their likes have turned me totally against this cause. More power to Russia, destroy these vermin, for the sake of all mankind.
No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry
The Chechens have a legitimate cause but it is only possible for idiotic cowards like these who give a country that has behaved like Russia has in Chechnya the moral high ground to ruin that legitimacy. I honestly hope this situation diffuses and none of those children gets killed. If anyone is innocent without a doubt, children certainly are. Furthermore, I really hope Russia doesn't use this as an excuse to indiscriminately kill more Chechen civilians. The fact that fundamentalist and terrorist elements have become prominent in the Chechen cause can IMO only be attributed to desperation caused by a Russian refusal to acknowledge that Chechens won't settle for anything less than independence. Then again, from Russia's point of view, if Chechnya secedes, a lot of nearby provinces attempt to as well. What a mess.
Am out of town for a while and then have tons of work coming up at school. Will be back once that's all done.
Everybody suddenly forgot, that Chechens had their way once. After Basayev held a small city of Budennovsk hostage, Eltsyn ordered a withdrawal of russian forces from Chechnya. This ended the 1st Chechen war, and for some years Chechnya was independent. Completely.
Bad that their leaders are extremists, and that was not enough for them. So they started the invasioin of neighboring Daghestan, and thus 2nd Chechen war.
War is a bloody business, and many inocent die in it.
Russia already walked that way once, agreeing to all demands, so they probably not will do this again. This is a sad, and very difficult situation, and I am honestly seeing no way out of it.
People will die. May your prayers be about them, whatever your religion is.
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