Thread: Band Of Sisters - Army "Lionesses" Hit Streets With marines In Combat

Originally Posted by PaulG

You can say i have no experience in the situation not having military experience yadda yadda yadda,

That sums up your entire post. Why do people with no experience or qualifications speak on issues on which they're complete idiots, I have no idea.

Originally Posted by M21Sniper

There's a video on the net of a 300lb Afro-American perp knocking a woman cop unconscious with a single jab to the chin that you probably ought to see(captured by her dash cam). Good thing for her he wasn't a rapist...

Do not take men for granted, or you may find yourself dead.

There are videos of men knocking down male cops with a single blow as well. Does this mean that men should't be cops? I have been in riots and fights and have never had trouble performing my job because I am a woman. You underestimate the ability of women to fight. Don't look at statistics alone. If women can pass the same training to be a cop or soldier as a man then they should be allowed to perform the same task. Are you saying sniper that because I am a woman I should be taken off the road and not allowed to be a cop? If so it sounds pretty sexist to me.

Originally Posted by lemontree

Its never embaressing for men to be subdued by a woman. (i'm being wicked now). I like women on top (the pun is intended)

Typical guy.

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici

If women can pass the same training to be a cop or soldier as a man then they should be allowed to perform the same task.

That pretty well sums up my experience. There are women who can and do pass reqs, some with flying colours. But when there's a competition with something like 10% of the graduating class, no woman has yet to reach that plateau. The 22 SAS is a very good example. There has been to my knowledge, at least 3 women who passed that grueling training. None was selected to be in that elite regiment.

On the other hand, you will have to rake me over fire burned coals before you can take my female sgts away from me.

"If women can pass the same training to be a cop or soldier as a man then they should be allowed to perform the same task."

Except that they don't, and can't. The military lowered all it's standards to allow women, and so did most major PDs. The Philly PD did, dropping it's weight and height requirements to allow women, as well as reducing the physical standards.

"Are you saying sniper that because I am a woman I should be taken off the road and not allowed to be a cop? If so it sounds pretty sexist to me."

I don't care how it sounds. If i'm in the middle of a melee with a strung out 250lb enraged felon the last thing i want is a 115lb woman showing up to back me up.(Or she could do what happened to my old man when he was a cop and lock herself in the squad car and tie up the radio net panicking that she needs backup without bothering to provide a location).

You cannot suppress common sense with PC restrictions, no matter how hard you try.

That being said, with SUPERIOR training a woman can be a man's equal in HTH. Put a man and a woman of comparable size and training in a fight, the woman will get her asss kicked 10 times out of 10.

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

T I have no idea.

That sums up your entire post!

Because your a pompous ass thats why. So i got no idea about socialising or living with women without caring to screw em?

You reckon miitary service is ticket to godliness? your probably full of crud anyway.

"your probably full of crud anyway."

That's the way to debate. Cover your inexperience by attacking your opposition with baseless claims.

OOE is as he says.

"With the right training and will power many women can put men to shame in hand to hand combat."

Oh? And with anything resembling equal training and desire what has been your observation? I'll tell you mine, without vastly superior training the woman is dead meat.

"I always love seeing the big macho men sitting in the back of my car."

Ever stopped to consider that it's your badge and gun, and their fear of prison or respect for authority that got them there?

Apparently not.

I got an idea, exchange numbers with those 'big tough guys' and meet those same guys in an alley when you're off duty. See what happens. You're a tough girl...i'm sure you can handle yourself.

I can't stand arrogance in people that ought to know better.

OOE and Sniper,

We also have women in the army but they are in the service corps like Ordnance and transport.

They are a wee bit problematic.

Could you tell me how you handle these women? Not physically, but the way they have different needs and things like that.

Or you could give me links to websites where I could check.

"Could you tell me how you handle these women? Not physically, but the way they have different needs and things like that."

You want the no B.S. non PC answer?

We let them get away with murder...

It is my opinion that women in the military are more trouble than they're worth.

Al the troops get distracted competing for their favor, they have a ridiculously high non-deployability rate, they tend to get knocked up rather than facing a deployment they don't want to go on, they have all kinds of inherent medical issues that drive up personnel costs, they don't perform as well as males in the same role in most fields that are available to them(though there are exceptions, some things they're fully capable of doing), they have been known to scuttle a superior's career that 'is too hard on them' by leveling accusations of sexual harrasment, etc, etc, and during ODS and OIF and all throughout the navy there have been repeated and numerous incidents of women prostituting themselves to the male troops.

They're just more hassle than they're worth. For whatever they bring to the table it's outweighed by the myriad negatives.

Women pilots seem to be the one shining exception. Their shorter stature lends to increased ability to withstand high Gs. E&E is another issue entirely though.

That the problem here too.

One woman wanted only a female doctor to check her up. As if female doctors are a dime to a dozen in our Army.

It has become a national debate.

And they now wnat to be combat soldier!

In the recent Kargil Operations where we were removing the instrusion by the Pakistan Army, I was the Deputy General Officer Commanding.

One lady doctor complained that she did not ahve proper toilet facility as the troopers could see her bathing!

I shut her up by saying that if someone saw her bathing (and she was a less than average looker), he would have a heart attack and die and therefore the best thing would be was that she returned to the Base in the Valley!

Now, when you are fighting a war are these stupid issues important?

The point to note that you guys have better facilties and so keep that in mind.

In so far as telling how you handle the issue I want it straight from the hip!

Originally Posted by M21Sniper

"your probably full of crud anyway."

That's the way to debate. Cover your inexperience by attacking your opposition with baseless claims.

OOE is as he says.

He's the one throwing the insults around, really becoming of a senior officer.

"Now, when you are fighting a war are these stupid issues important?"

No, they're just a waste of time, but the great social experimenters don't let that stand in the way...

The fact is that men have several inherent physical advantadges that make them better combat soldiers than women. That's just a fact.

The second fact is that even though women ARE suitable for a variety of military roles the extra hassle that comes along with them, and the increased burden they place on overall unit discipline make them not worth the effort.

The only times i would favor women in the military is when all the men are already dead.

CERTAINLY there are a few women that could hack almost any military duty, but the cost and expense of finding them and weeding out all the other non-hackers, and again, the resuliting social discipline problems make them not worth the effort.

This is why i said i support full segregation between the sexes in the military. If it's an all woman or all male unit, all the discipline and social issues don't come into play.

"He's the one throwing the insults around, really becoming of a senior officer."

I've never met a senior officer that wasn't highly proficient at tossing insults to those deserving.