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    Chechen President Killed

    Chechen President Killed in Stadium Blast

    Sunday, May 09, 2004

    ROSTOV-ON-DON, Russia — Chechen President Akhmad Kadyrov (search) died of his injuries after an explosion during Victory Day celebrations in Grozny, Russian President Vladimir Putin (search) announced Sunday.

    The blast, which killed at least four and injured dozens, was caused by a land mine apparently planted under the VIP section in the Dynamo stadium.

    Several suspects have been taken into custody, Fox News has learned.

    Confusion clouded the aftermath of Sunday's attack in the Chechen capital, with reports on the fate of Kadyrov and the number of casualties varying widely.

    Col. Gen. Valery Baranov (search), commander of Russian troops in the region, died at the scene, a ministry official said on condition of anonymity. Kadyrov died about 30 minutes after the blast.

    The explosion happened underneath a VIP-seating area during a Victory Day (search) ceremony celebrating the defeat of the Nazis in World War II.

    Akhmad Dzherikhanov, a spokesman for the Ministry of Emergency Situations southern Russian division, said four people were killed and 46 wounded.

    The blast underscored the major security problems in Chechnya even as the Kremlin says normalcy is being restored after nearly five years of fighting against separatist rebels.

    Nearly every day Russian soldiers are reported killed in attacks by rebels and by rebel-set explosions.

    Grozny, the war-ruined Chechen capital, has a huge presence of Russian forces, but they have not been able to purge insurgents from the city.

    There was no immediate claim of responsibility for the blast, but suspicion inevitably fell on the rebels.

    "Justice will take the upper hand and retribution is inevitable," Putin said at the conclusion of Moscow's Victory Day parade on Red Square, the ITAR-Tass news agency reported.

    The stadium's VIP section collapsed into a jagged hole of torn wooden planks, sending up a plume of brown smoke. Panicked people dressed in their Sunday best clambered over the bleachers and shots split the air amid the chaos.

    Footage on Russia's NTV television showed men in uniform dragging a man resembling Kadyrov covered in blood away from the broken seating area.

    Another emergency ministry spokesman, Sergei Kozhemyaka, said that a second land mine was found near the VIP seats. Russia's Echo of Moscow radio reported that numerous people were detained.

    Russia marks the Allied victory over the Nazis every May 9 with military parades and fireworks around the country.

    Security was extremely tight. In 2002, a bomb exploded during a Victory Day military parade in the Caspian Sea port of Kaspiisk, killing 43 people, including 12 children.

    Russian troops have been fighting Chechen insurgents for much of the last decade. The latest war began in September 1999. Despite superior numbers and firepower, Russian troops have been unable to uproot the rebels from their mountainous hideouts or banish them entirely from Grozny.

    Kadyrov was a rebel commander during the separatists' 1994-96 war that ended with Russian forces withdrawing. However, he became disenchanted during the period of Chechnya's de-facto independence, complaining of the growing influence of the Wahhabi sect of Islam in the republic.

    He broke with Aslan Maskhadov (search), who had been elected Chechen president in 1997, and in 2000 the Kremlin appointed him the republic's top civilian administrator. He was elected president last October in a vote widely criticized as fraudulent.

    The election was portrayed by the Kremlin as a substantial step forward for restoring order to Chechnya.

    Refugees who have returned to Chechnya say that Kadyrov's administration has withheld promised compensation for six months or more and many Chechens complain of seizures of civilians under his administration.

    Kadyrov's son Ramzan runs a security force that is widely blamed for civilian disappearances.

    It was not immediately clear who would lead Chechnya after Kadyrov. The Interfax news agency cited Russian Parliament deputy speaker Lyubov Sliska as suggesting that direct presidential rule be imposed by Moscow.

    The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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    "Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have."
    "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leader
    Chechen President Killed in Stadium Blast

    Sunday, May 09, 2004

    ROSTOV-ON-DON, Russia — Chechen President Akhmad Kadyrov (search) died of his injuries after an explosion during Victory Day celebrations in Grozny, Russian President Vladimir Putin (search) announced Sunday.

    The blast, which killed at least four and injured dozens, was caused by a land mine apparently planted under the VIP section in the Dynamo stadium.

    Several suspects have been taken into custody, Fox News has learned.

    Confusion clouded the aftermath of Sunday's attack in the Chechen capital, with reports on the fate of Kadyrov and the number of casualties varying widely.

    Col. Gen. Valery Baranov (search), commander of Russian troops in the region, died at the scene, a ministry official said on condition of anonymity. Kadyrov died about 30 minutes after the blast.

    The explosion happened underneath a VIP-seating area during a Victory Day (search) ceremony celebrating the defeat of the Nazis in World War II.

    Akhmad Dzherikhanov, a spokesman for the Ministry of Emergency Situations southern Russian division, said four people were killed and 46 wounded.

    The blast underscored the major security problems in Chechnya even as the Kremlin says normalcy is being restored after nearly five years of fighting against separatist rebels.

    Nearly every day Russian soldiers are reported killed in attacks by rebels and by rebel-set explosions.

    Grozny, the war-ruined Chechen capital, has a huge presence of Russian forces, but they have not been able to purge insurgents from the city.

    There was no immediate claim of responsibility for the blast, but suspicion inevitably fell on the rebels.

    "Justice will take the upper hand and retribution is inevitable," Putin said at the conclusion of Moscow's Victory Day parade on Red Square, the ITAR-Tass news agency reported.

    The stadium's VIP section collapsed into a jagged hole of torn wooden planks, sending up a plume of brown smoke. Panicked people dressed in their Sunday best clambered over the bleachers and shots split the air amid the chaos.

    Footage on Russia's NTV television showed men in uniform dragging a man resembling Kadyrov covered in blood away from the broken seating area.

    Another emergency ministry spokesman, Sergei Kozhemyaka, said that a second land mine was found near the VIP seats. Russia's Echo of Moscow radio reported that numerous people were detained.

    Russia marks the Allied victory over the Nazis every May 9 with military parades and fireworks around the country.

    Security was extremely tight. In 2002, a bomb exploded during a Victory Day military parade in the Caspian Sea port of Kaspiisk, killing 43 people, including 12 children.

    Russian troops have been fighting Chechen insurgents for much of the last decade. The latest war began in September 1999. Despite superior numbers and firepower, Russian troops have been unable to uproot the rebels from their mountainous hideouts or banish them entirely from Grozny.

    Kadyrov was a rebel commander during the separatists' 1994-96 war that ended with Russian forces withdrawing. However, he became disenchanted during the period of Chechnya's de-facto independence, complaining of the growing influence of the Wahhabi sect of Islam in the republic.

    He broke with Aslan Maskhadov (search), who had been elected Chechen president in 1997, and in 2000 the Kremlin appointed him the republic's top civilian administrator. He was elected president last October in a vote widely criticized as fraudulent.

    The election was portrayed by the Kremlin as a substantial step forward for restoring order to Chechnya.

    Refugees who have returned to Chechnya say that Kadyrov's administration has withheld promised compensation for six months or more and many Chechens complain of seizures of civilians under his administration.

    Kadyrov's son Ramzan runs a security force that is widely blamed for civilian disappearances.

    It was not immediately clear who would lead Chechnya after Kadyrov. The Interfax news agency cited Russian Parliament deputy speaker Lyubov Sliska as suggesting that direct presidential rule be imposed by Moscow.

    The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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    This guy was a very nice person, he sincerely had chechen interests at heart. Most of these so called chechen islamics are just foreign arab islamic terrorists who need to be removed from chechniya.

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    Any of you guys know if Akhmad Kadyrov was a Muslim himself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaForce
    Any of you guys know if Akhmad Kadyrov was a Muslim himself?
    I believe that he is.
    "Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have."
    "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

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    Quote Originally Posted by aryan
    This guy was a very nice person, he sincerely had chechen interests at heart. Most of these so called chechen islamics are just foreign arab islamic terrorists who need to be removed from chechniya.
    looks like most of the "feedom" fighters these days are brainwashed foreigners!!

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    In the article, it says that the Russian Army commander Col. Gen. Valery Baranov was killed, I have heard that he survived from a Russian friend, is there any independent confirmation of this? Just wanted to add that I hope Russia anniliates those brainwashed Al Qaeda wannabees

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    Russia will defintely kill atleast 100's in response to this, as usual no body will even know that!! Id unno how they do it, but they really do it in style!

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    Couldn't help but notice that paragraph about more Chechen disgrunteldness towards the Wahabbi sect in that country.

    Think that makes the tenth or eleventh time I'd heard a Sufi (or Shia & Sunni in general) say that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunatock
    Couldn't help but notice that paragraph about more Chechen disgrunteldness towards the Wahabbi sect in that country.

    Think that makes the tenth or eleventh time I'd heard a Sufi (or Shia & Sunni in general) say that.
    Chechens aren't becoming wahabbis, but wahabbis are coming in from the entire arabian penninsula. A lot of the leaders of the Chechen struggle weren't even chechen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aryan
    Chechens aren't becoming wahabbis, but wahabbis are coming in from the entire arabian penninsula. A lot of the leaders of the Chechen struggle weren't even chechen.
    Heard that the Wahabbi's were trying to take root there & were undermining the Sufi's native to Chechnya. "The bearded ones" have also been said to extort money from the Chechen people as well.

    And that's what I was saying, the Wahabbi's there seem to be acting like poor guests and aren't getting on the good side of the Chechen's or non-wahabbi's that visit.

    Fun fact: One village in Dagestan was entirely Wahabbi, and the argument over wether it should follow Dagestani law or Sharia law was the reason Basayev & Khattab "invaded" Dagestan. The Wahabbi's didn't want to follow Dagastan's laws and Basayev's men showing up might of been blown out of proportion, thus Chechen war part two was started. Oops!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunatock
    Heard that the Wahabbi's were trying to take root there & were undermining the Sufi's native to Chechnya. "The bearded ones" have also been said to extort money from the Chechen people as well.

    And that's what I was saying, the Wahabbi's there seem to be acting like poor guests and aren't getting on the good side of the Chechen's or non-wahabbi's that visit.

    Fun fact: One village in Dagestan was entirely Wahabbi, and the argument over wether it should follow Dagestani law or Sharia law was the reason Basayev & Khattab "invaded" Dagestan. The Wahabbi's didn't want to follow Dagastan's laws and Basayev's men showing up might of been blown out of proportion, thus Chechen war part two was started. Oops!
    I generally have sympathy for the Chechen people! They have been genuinely treated like animals historically, not least when Stalin decided it would be a good idea to deport the entire population!

    But Russia since Soviet times to today doesn't give a rats' ass about whether Chechnya is free or not, they have enough problems to worry about. They gave them independence in 1996 but were forced to invade only when it was proven to be a barbaric terrorist state. Chechnya had become criminal and wahabbi islamic haven (the two as usual are linked).

    Even today, I'm sure that if a democratic, secular class emerged from Chechnya, they would grant them independence! But unfortunately for the Chechens there are too many of these wahabbis hanging around. Thats why this Kadyrov's death is a sad thing, he was one of the few who had the balls to deal with them

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    Popular opinion is that Kadyrov was just a puppet for Russia. And at least one Chechen wondered when Kadyrov's son was going to be ended. Since he runs a Security Force accused of kidnapping civilians and making them dissapear.

    Minor setback for the Russian Federation I'm sure. They'd just need to run an ad in the moscow times.

    Wanted: Puppet to lord over a brutally & illegally occupied republic. Must have no regard for the difference between elderly villagers and seperatist rebels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaForce
    Any of you guys know if Akhmad Kadyrov was a Muslim himself?
    He was once Chechnya's mufti, or top religious leader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunatock
    Popular opinion is that Kadyrov was just a puppet for Russia. And at least one Chechen wondered when Kadyrov's son was going to be ended. Since he runs a Security Force accused of kidnapping civilians and making them dissapear.

    Minor setback for the Russian Federation I'm sure. They'd just need to run an ad in the moscow times.

    Wanted: Puppet to lord over a brutally & illegally occupied republic. Must have no regard for the difference between elderly villagers and seperatist rebels.

    Contact Vladamir Putin
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    I would like to know how you would diffirentiate between a rebel and a civilian? Last time I heard the Chechens did not want to add "Muslim liberation fighter. Member since 1995." or "killed 12 and brutally tortured 24 Russian soldeirs, officers, and civilians" to their passports.
    How do you react when you capture a 12 year old kid shooting an RPG at your block post at night? Or a man who swears to be a civilian sheppard but 20 minutes later you discover assault rifles, grenades and ammo hidden in his house?

    Its funny that there's no mention of how the Russian population was kicked out of their houses in 1994, raped, tarotured and murdered in Chechnya. How Russian execution of a captured rebel is inhumane but when a rebel films castrating a russian prisoner and cuts open his stomach and takes out intestines, gauges out eyes while his is still alive is justified?
    It is discusting to see that some of the richest men in Moscow are Chechens who run bordels, drug and arms traffiking, slaver trade, extortion etc. Oh, but they are an oppressed minority. They have Russian people in the butt while the wimpy politicians are afraid of the world opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by berkut
    I would like to know how you would diffirentiate between a rebel and a civilian? Last time I heard the Chechens did not want to add "Muslim liberation fighter. Member since 1995." or "killed 12 and brutally tortured 24 Russian soldeirs, officers, and civilians" to their passports.
    How do you react when you capture a 12 year old kid shooting an RPG at your block post at night? Or a man who swears to be a civilian sheppard but 20 minutes later you discover assault rifles, grenades and ammo hidden in his house?

    Its funny that there's no mention of how the Russian population was kicked out of their houses in 1994, raped, tarotured and murdered in Chechnya. How Russian execution of a captured rebel is inhumane but when a rebel films castrating a russian prisoner and cuts open his stomach and takes out intestines, gauges out eyes while his is still alive is justified?
    It is discusting to see that some of the richest men in Moscow are Chechens who run bordels, drug and arms traffiking, slaver trade, extortion etc. Oh, but they are an oppressed minority. They have Russian people in the butt while the wimpy politicians are afraid of the world opinion.
    Oh I never said that the seperatists weren't also capable of being evil. Just tend to dispell Russia's claims of being angelic beings. Since they also commit crimes, but turn around and whine about being victimised.

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