Thread: the death of Milosevic

Whatever be the case, the issue of whether he was guilty or not will never be known. In fact, yesterday in the BBC programme Dateline London, it was opined by most that it would have been a hard grind to prove he was personally guilty!

Barbaric behaviour has been the keynote of the Balkan problem. I hope the guilty on both sides are brought to justice.

Right now, the emphasis seems to be on the Serbs.

Am I to understand that the other ethnic groups are purer than the snow of Mount Etna?

Could it be that the Serbs are facing the heat because they are traditionally aligned to Russia and it is in the interest to ensure that the Russian influence is totally negated and pro West elements are propped up so that the European boundary is pushed closer to Russia and it is encircled?

Personally as a independent observer, the fall of the pro Russian elements appear to be too coincidental for belief including the one is the Central Asia Republic. Ukraine, etc etc.

Just a thought.

Having studied psychological warfare, maybe I am reading too much into the affairs, but it is only an inquisitive mind that is better than those brainwashed by the media.

It is a fact that the media which in a concerted effort can "persuade" a viewpoint rather well.

The Devil's Advocate has spoken and let the fun and games begin!

Originally Posted by Ray

Whatever be the case, the issue of whether he was guilty or not will never be known. In fact, yesterday in the BBC programme Dateline London, it was opined by most that it would have been a hard grind to prove he was personally guilty!

Barbaric behaviour has been the keynote of the Balkan problem. I hope the guilty on both sides are brought to justice.

Right now, the emphasis seems to be on the Serbs.

Am I to understand that the other ethnic groups are purer than the snow of Mount Etna?

Could it be that the Serbs are facing the heat because they are traditionally aligned to Russia and it is in the interest to ensure that the Russian influence is totally negated and pro West elements are propped up so that the European boundary is pushed closer to Russia and it is encircled?

Personally as a independent observer, the fall of the pro Russian elements appear to be too coincidental for belief including the one is the Central Asia Republic. Ukraine, etc etc.

Just a thought.

Having studied psychological warfare, maybe I am reading too much into the affairs, but it is only an inquisitive mind that is better than those brainwashed by the media.

It is a fact that the media which in a concerted effort can "persuade" a viewpoint rather well.

The Devil's Advocate has spoken and let the fun and games begin!

You in many respects the rights. Me always surprised, why in the Europe all people so are assured, that of all crimes, Serbs and their governors are guilty only. In 90th years in Yugoslavia there was a civil war, and it means that guilty were and with that and on the other hand. Why then the majority of arrested persons - Serbs?

Originally Posted by Ray

Right now, the emphasis seems to be on the Serbs.

Sir,

As noted in other threads, the Serb leadership brought it upon themselves when they rather sell out their countrymen than hire the proper New York Public Relatioins firm to sell their image.

The Croats and the Muslims did spend the money for this NY firms.

I don't want to gloat over a dead man. I just hope alot of the hatre dies with him.

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

Sir,

As noted in other threads, the Serb leadership brought it upon themselves when they rather sell out their countrymen than hire the proper New York Public Relatioins firm to sell their image.

The Croats and the Muslims did spend the money for this NY firms.

That statement is so close to reality.

Something on the lines as below?

Pakistan weekly spills 9/11 beans
OUR SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT

New Delhi, March 12: The Pakistan foreign office had paid tens of thousands of dollars to lobbyists in the US to get anti-Pakistan references dropped from the 9/11 inquiry commission report, The Friday Times has claimed.

The Pakistani weekly said its story is based on disclosures made by foreign service officials to the Public Accounts Committee at a secret meeting in Islamabad on Tuesday.

It claimed that some of the commission members were also bribed to prevent them from including damaging information about Pakistan.

The magazine said the PAC grilled officials in the presence of foreign secretary Riaz Mohammad Khan and special secretary Sher Afghan on the money paid to lobbyists.

“The disclosure sheds doubt on the integrity and honesty of the members of the 9/11 inquiry commission and, above all, the authenticity of the information in their final report,” it said.

The report quoted an officer as saying that dramatic changes were made in the final draft of the inquiry commission after the lobbyists got to work. The panel was formed to probe the September 11 terror attack and make suggestions to fight terrorism.

After the commission tipped the lobbyists about the damaging revelations on Pakistan’s role in 9/11, they contacted the panel members and asked them to go soft on the country. The Friday Times claimed that a lot of money was used to silence these members.

According to the report, the lobbyists also helped Pakistan win the sympathy of 75 US Congressmen as part of its strategy to guard Islamabad’s interests in Washington. “US softened towards Pakistan only because of the efforts of the foreign office,” an official was quoted as saying in the report.

The Pakistan foreign office defended the decision to hire the lobbyists, saying it was an established practice in the US.

An observer at the Islamabad meeting said money could play an important role in buying powerful people. The remark came in response to comments made by some US officials after 9/11 that “Pakistanis will sell their mothers for a dollar”.

Pakistan had emerged as front-runner in the fight against terrorism unleashed by the US after the terror strikes. Washington pumped in billions of dollars to win President Pervez Musharraf’s support in launching a crackdown on al Qaida network thriving on the Pakistan-Afghanistan border.
http://www.telegraphindia.com/106031...ry_5962372.asp

Telegraph of India? Yeah that says it all.

I don’t want to spit too much on a dead man, but as a Serb, I have to say that this is, as far as I can remember, the first good thing that he did for his (and my) country. Farewell Mr. President.

Originally Posted by dave angel

...a great pity, nothing would of pleased me more than to see him (as a head of state) convicted of War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity (Genocide).

I suppose that Sir Michael Rose, Lord Owen and Lord Carrington wouldn’t agree with you. War crimes – almost certainly yes, genocide – I strongly doubt so. And like I said I’m not the only one with that opinion.

Originally Posted by dave angel

...except perhaps if he were to stand trial for the same offences in Belgrade.

Possibly.

Originally Posted by Visigoth

Frankly I'm astounded that they let him babble on and flabbergast for 4 years in a trial that even now Hague officials are saying,"now we won't know if he's guilty"?Where were these people during the 90's,this butcher was the sole orchestrater of Yugoslavias bloody wars,he fomented the fervent nationalism,in controlling the state media he created a state of affairs that didn't actually exist,causing Serbians everywhere to take up arms against their neighbours.I don't imagine Hitler would have been given this long in the docket.Good riddance you pestulent swine,I only regret he wasnt given a proper sendoff a la Caucescu. On another note,heres another serbian national hero:Milan Babic, former leader of the rebel Serbs in Croatia, has commited suicide before he was to return to court today at the Hague to provide evidence against another Croatian Serb Leader, Milan Martic.

Babic was found in his cell in Scheveningen, which is the detention center for war crime suspects in the Hague. Babic pleaded guilty in 2004 of crimes against humanity during the Croatian war. He was sentenced to 13 years in prison. He was also the first person that was convicted to provide evidence against other suspects, including Slobodan Milosevic, former Yugoslav president.

Milan Babic was the president of the self-proclaimed Serb republic called Krajina. Babic aided in ethnic cleansing of Croats and other non-Serbs in the Krajina area by arming and mobilizing rebel Serb fighters, with the assistance of Slobodan Milosevic.

I guess you weren’t that critical when your fascist swine Franjo Tudjman died. Or even jihadi swine Alija Izetbegovic. And don’t talk about things that Milosevic did here since you weren’t even close to Serbia. But I did. And just to tell you that there weren’t too much Serbs here that took up arms as an outcome of his propaganda. Unlike your Croats did when listening to Tudjman’s revamped Nazi ideology. And state of affairs is that the Serbs are ethnically cleansed from Croatia.

Oh – I have to mention that I agree with you in the part about Ceausescu.

Originally Posted by Ray

Whatever be the case, the issue of whether he was guilty or not will never be known. In fact, yesterday in the BBC programme Dateline London, it was opined by most that it would have been a hard grind to prove he was personally guilty!

Barbaric behaviour has been the keynote of the Balkan problem. I hope the guilty on both sides are brought to justice.

Right now, the emphasis seems to be on the Serbs.

Am I to understand that the other ethnic groups are purer than the snow of Mount Etna?

Could it be that the Serbs are facing the heat because they are traditionally aligned to Russia and it is in the interest to ensure that the Russian influence is totally negated and pro West elements are propped up so that the European boundary is pushed closer to Russia and it is encircled?

Personally as a independent observer, the fall of the pro Russian elements appear to be too coincidental for belief including the one is the Central Asia Republic. Ukraine, etc etc.

Just a thought.

Having studied psychological warfare, maybe I am reading too much into the affairs, but it is only an inquisitive mind that is better than those brainwashed by the media.

It is a fact that the media which in a concerted effort can "persuade" a viewpoint rather well.

The Devil's Advocate has spoken and let the fun and games begin!

Well said, Sir. Anyway there are few things to think about.

For example, how it is possible that man (even Milosevic) can’t get proper medical attention and dies as the consequence of that? And isn’t it little bit symptomatic that Milosevic is the sixth dead Serb in Hague Tribunal? Serbs can’t get needed medical care and Albanian butchers like Haradinaj has permission to remain in politics until beginning of the process?

Serbia is the only of the ex-Yugoslav countries in which number of Croats, Muslims and Albanians is bigger than their number before the war (BTW that’s one of he reasons why it is very difficult to prove all points of Milosevic charge.).We all know that Serbs are ethically cleansed from Croatia, Kosovo and parts of Bosnia. And that Serbia has several hundreds of thousands refugees. So where were the charges against Croatian, Muslim and Albanian war criminals? And considering these facts how it is possible that the role and responsibility of Croatian, Muslim and Albanian leaders such as Franjo Tudjman, Alija Izetbegovic or Agim Cheku is lesser than Milosevic’s?

Originally Posted by Firral

You in many respects the rights. Me always surprised, why in the Europe all people so are assured, that of all crimes, Serbs and their governors are guilty only. In 90th years in Yugoslavia there was a civil war, and it means that guilty were and with that and on the other hand. Why then the majority of arrested persons - Serbs?

Exactly. That’s also one of the questions.

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

Sir,

As noted in other threads, the Serb leadership brought it upon themselves when they rather sell out their countrymen than hire the proper New York Public Relatioins firm to sell their image.

The Croats and the Muslims did spend the money for this NY firms.

Sir, the fact that they hired proper NY firms shouldn’t relief them of responsibility and punishment… or it should? In any case, they avoided the justice and left without the critics of public opinion, yet the outcome of their politics is even more obvious than Milosevic’s.