Oh I think you do care how the others see you. It seems not only do we guys 'not care' but the killers of the innocent child didn't care either, nor did the people strolling passed care. So all in all, according to your remark above, nobody cared to what happened to this child. She's now dead so the problem of who cares has finished.
Oh really , well pardon us for having some compassion , next time something like this occurs ,or other tragedies , remind us all to post jokes about it and have a friggin good laugh ,after all we don't give a fuck do we , and since when did you alone become Chinas voice for the people .
Ever thought of getting a job in the diplomatic corps .
"When England was a kingdom, we had a king.
When we were an empire, we had an emperor.
Now we're a country
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Of course human beings care about how others see them, but it is arrogant to assume that the Chinese would only care about this tradegy because of international attentions. Before this thing goes global, the outburst of anger has already spreaded across China.
The thing is I don't agree with some Chinese assessment that the ruling of Nanking incident has subseqently affected the outcome of this tragedy. Even though Chinese are considered more introverted, this characteristic had not stopped the Chinese from helping each others. However, the rapid modernization and urbanization has caused a total breakdown of social morality. In the recent years, it seems that greed and selfishness have become the accepted norms. Hopefully this tradegy would have reawakened the Chinese society to embrace changes necessary to better protect the children and the vulnerables. Such as the Kitty Genovese serves to question the New Yorkers. The governemnt should also play a vital to encourage the Chinese to help others and protect them from lawsuits that arised from assisted people in needs as the ruling of Nanking incident inhibited the willingness of the chinese to have more compassion.
Last edited by kyli; 22 Oct 11, at 17:51.
Why participate in the WAB if you feel that way?no one really cares what you guys think.
"If your plan is for one year, plant rice. If your plan is for ten years, plant trees.
If your plan is for one hundred years, educate children."
No compassion from the people around I think is a result of the sudden switch in the lifestyle that thought people to "mind own business".
People being victims to all sorts of frauds, Candid cameras, or just getting into trouble trying to help thought them not to jump with extending hand. Something they'd do so willingly before.
I have witnessed the same coldness about passing people here in the mid-'90s. A man dropped dead in the center of the city mall which is usually overcrowded and people were going in circles around, but nobody called police or medics. Me and my friend called medics, they came, called the police and we ended 2 days filling forms. After that we were told the man died from heart stroke. Not to mention the problems we faced at the uni for missing the classes.
Some people are not ready to go through all this. Not to get me wrong, I don't defend them, am despising such behavior.
No such thing as a good tax - Churchill
To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.
I know you mean well, but when you and some members imply that the Chinese are unsympathetic toward this tradegy because of gender or are forced to acknowledge this tradegy under international pressures are more or less stereotypic thinking. Otherwise, I do agree that there are problems in the Chinese society and this tradegy exposes the collapse of the Chinese social values.
However, I disagree with your assessment that compassion can not be elicited. Human beings are just human beings. We as a species are either superior or perfect. When a society punished the people who are willing to help others and rewarded the people who are cheating, this kind of injustice just reinforced the twisted social norms that people became not only selfish but also shortsightedness.
There are a few things that government could do to encourage a real harmony society such as the enactment of Good Samaritan laws to protect individuals against torts that arising from assisted people in needs. China has a high frenqency of lawsuits arising from attempted rescue especially from elderly(Probably intentionally). The tragic case of Nanking that the judge fined a young man ten of thousand for helping an elderly had reinforced the typical Chinese to act as a cold hearted bystander. Sometime it just takes a few scums to implant negative perceptions for helping others and extinguish compassion. Secondly, the government can reward people from helping others. Even though in the hindsight it is irrelevant, the rewards do serve a purpose at least make helping others less tainted.
Lastly, I agree with rollingwave that the rapid transformation in a society caused a complete breakdown in the old structure that helped to link kinship and family together. In a modern society, morality needed to be reignited in other forms. It takes time. Compassion comes from heart but it needs an environment and encouragement to develop. The process of accumulation of wealth might sometime be brutal, but eventually people will recognize that being a bystander is not an option. Responsibilities and rights go hand in hand.
Last edited by kyli; 22 Oct 11, at 23:24.
I was replying Dave's post when he said:
He's assuming it is only because YOU GUYS outside China care, so we have to care. Otherwise the Chinese people are just a bunch of heartless monsters, aren't they?I wonder if the eagerness to find the drivers and to tut tut at the pedestrians would be the same if it didn't go global.
And I was telling him, no, nobody cares what you guys think because they are sad for such tragedies and are reflecting upon the society. They are angry because the drivers and the pedestrians are so inhuman. They are compassionate and united when they started the 'face your consciousness' campaign in the micro-blogosphere.
None of these is because 'IT GOES GLOBAL'. I know you mean well, Dave. But such words from you are just ridiculous.
Last edited by snowhole; 23 Oct 11, at 00:32.
When a child goes missing anywhere in the US, AMBER ALERT informs the whole nation of the missing child, and the whole nation looks for the child. It goes NATIONAL.
So, with that said, you could understand the "outsiders" shocked reaction to that video.
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