Top Ten Chinese Military Modernization Developments

**Blademaster** · 26 Apr 05, 06:41

Originally Posted by Franco Lolan

Sorry, I edited the post. So they wouldn't be taking out the sites by themselves?

No way without breaking their back humping all that ordnance necessary to destroy the targets. They will have a damn time hiding themselves since they will be sticking out like a sore sight to the eye.

**Blademaster** · 26 Apr 05, 06:42

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

You've watched way too many movies. There's no way a man could carry that much plastique and detonators and the ammo needed to punch out, assuming that they didn't have to punch in.

Damn you beat me to the punch!

**bull** · 26 Apr 05, 07:35

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**-{SpoonmaN}-** · 26 Apr 05, 07:50

Originally Posted by Franco Lolan

Ok. I was enamored with the idea of hundreds of CIA agents destroying vital infrastructure,personnel, and equipment. LOL, even though I knew that I was unrealistic. Would SOF land on Chinese mainland to destroy objectives such as SAM and Radar sites?

You stated relatively easy for air to breach SAM defences. How so? Aren't newer batteries such as S-450s and radars very capable?

I have AP Comparative Politics class tommorow at 6:30 AM, and I have to give a presentation on Political Change in regards to Constitution in the Russian Federation. I will read response during Homeroom. Thank you.

Seriously, the PRC would be one of the hardest environments for the CIA to operate in I think. And like all the new weapon systems the PLA has been purchasing, the new SAMs aren't around in great enough numbers. Really the most important reform is new combat aircraft, as most of the birds they're flying are dangerously old and pathetically obsolete.

**~~oneman28~~** · 26 Apr 05, 08:31

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

Just off the top of my head.

The new subs - they're going on sea trials at the moment and nowhere near operational. If the MINGs and the HANs are any indication, it will be at least 5-6 years before they shake all the cowebs out (ie, learn to use the thing SAFELY) and it will be another 5-6 years before they learn how to use the things EFFECTIVELY. To suggest that they could bypass this step is ludicrous in the extreme.

As for the JL-2, the Chinese have stopped working on them.

The rest of the article continues along these lines. It has not caught up with the fact that the Chinese have suspended deliveries of SU-27s from Russia. Maybe, they're trying to get better models but the fact remains that their numbers are now frozen for at least 3 years.

Garbage. Just plain garbage.

Too many misleadings in your comments.

China has been buillding and using submarines for several decades. The transition to a new sub takes 12 years? If they were China's first generation Subs. it could take such long time.

As long as 094 was built, then JL-2 will not stop. That's the simple reason.

China stopped buying Su-27 before the end of the transaction simply because China is building J11 which is a upgrade on SU-27 and domestic J10 goes to productions too. SU-30 are also available to China. Why China still need Russian made SU-27?

Chinese official media just released news recently and says J11, J10 and JH7A are in the massive production stage.

**~~oneman28~~** · 26 Apr 05, 08:41

Originally Posted by Franco Lolan

What is your opinion on in the case of war with the PRC over ROC per se, opening up a Western front? Or SF/paramilitary operations? What influence could they have? I used to think great but because the war would primarily be naval and air, maybe not much. Also, Hanization is wiping out much of base of support for insurgency and the whole deflection politics deal would work out for the Party. What role would US paramilitaries (CIA type) and SOF forces play in the conflict.

How would you judge US intel HUMINT assets in PRC? (inversely, isn't the PRC owning up the US through spying?)

Also, what did you think on PRC SAM batteries? Can US/ROC/Japanese AF/etc break through?

This could be a dream. Xinjiang is covered by LanZhou Military Region and about 1 million semi-PLAs in Xinjiang. Tibet is covered by the Chengdu Military Region. Both places are almost closed to outside by mountains. Maybe CIAs can be dropped there if they are not expected to go back. I also doubt any one like to provide base for US.

**Officer of Engineers** · 26 Apr 05, 11:41