China is Testing DF-21 Anti-ship Ballistic Missile to Target US Aircraft Carriers:USA

**ArmchairGeneral** · 08 Aug 10,, 18:41

Originally Posted by zraver

seriously the new format sucks ass it keeps eating posts.... It looks like the fox reporter was mistaken and the 25 ships was a misquote based on the number of nations using the CIWS.

Ah. Thought it might be something like that.

Playing devils advocate here...

Hey, that's my job!

**Gun Grape** · 08 Aug 10,, 19:14

Originally Posted by ArmchairGeneral

Really? That's some hella damage control. A 1000 lb warhead traveling at 3km/s has kinetic energy approximately equivalent to its weight in TNT.

ACG,
Look at the damage that the Forrestal/Oriskany and Enterprise suffered during their fires from exploding ordinance. Nimitz class ships were built tougher. Its going to take a bit more.

**Gun Grape** · 08 Aug 10,, 19:18

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

Why am I the only one saying this is Western intel crying wolf?

In one of the threads on this weapon, I said that its budget time at the Pentagon.

This is part of what we use to call "Operation Justify Existence"

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/nav...tml#post748935

The Budget Boogie men strike again.

See, this is why we need more funding for the Navy.

We have to protect Asia from that ASBM that the Chinese have not tested but will soon go into operational status.

Hard to believe they can do it with a straight face. Any of the services.

**cr9527** · 08 Aug 10,, 19:38

I suggest those who can understand Chinese watch this.

part 1

part 2

part 3

**xinhui** · 08 Aug 10,, 20:17

Originally Posted by cr9527

I suggest those who can understand Chinese watch this.

Seriously..... India is not going to get QE II class AC and QEII is NOT Nimitz class. Hint: any "defense" talk that accompany by cantons, you can ignore.

**ArmchairGeneral** · 08 Aug 10,, 20:32

Originally Posted by Gun Grape

ACG,
Look at the damage that the Forrestal/Oriskany and Enterprise suffered during their fires from exploding ordinance. Nimitz class ships were built tougher. Its going to take a bit more.

Than at least 6 projectiles of that type hitting it? I'm assuming a salvo indicates at least 2 missiles. I don't know much about the behavior of hypersonic impacts, but it's important to remember that although the KE is equivalent to half a ton of TNT, that does not necessarily imply equivalent destruction. There may be significant penetration, for example. I know that the Navy is incredibly good at damage control, but there's only so much you can do about holes in the bottom of your ship. OTOH, at very high velocities the warhead may effectively vaporise on impact, maybe punching a hole in the flight deck but no more. So I can see it either way, but I don't think it's wise to dismiss the possibility of severe destruction without deeper investigation.

**Officer of Engineers** · 09 Aug 10,, 02:48

Originally Posted by ArmchairGeneral

I don't follow. The infrastructure is being put in place, that is certain.

No, it's not. Surveillance is not target acquisition, let alone battle management.

Originally Posted by ArmchairGeneral

I haven't seen anyone claiming the Chinese have confidence in the system, heck, they aren't saying anything.

The Chinese are saying nothing. It's Western intel screaming the end of the carrier era.

Originally Posted by ArmchairGeneral

Really? That's some hella damage control. A 1000 lb warhead traveling at 3km/s has kinetic energy approximately equivalent to its weight in TNT.

It's not a 1000lb warhead. It's at most 500lbs. The rest of the space is used for that terminal guidance. And if it's travelling at 3km/s, it ain't maneuvering squat.

**weaponww** · 09 Aug 10,, 15:21

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

It's not a 1000lb warhead. It's at most 500lbs. The rest of the space is used for that terminal guidance. And if it's travelling at 3km/s, it ain't maneuvering squat.

he might meant the entire weight of warhead including guidance etc etc. at that speed the knetic is about 4GJ, which is about a ton tnt. but not sure how you maneuvering something at 3km/s weight about 500-1000lb.

**Officer of Engineers** · 09 Aug 10,, 15:25

You don't.

**biteasaur** · 09 Aug 10,, 15:42

ok,i have read somewhere about the u.s navy using the trident in tests in the 90"s or maybe 2000 something or other with the penatrating rods,hammer of god" or something to that tune,hitting targets, the trident is being continuiously upgraded it is still top of the line,if the chinese can do it with a df21 why cant the navy return the favor and target their fleet with a trident irbm.with a conventional warhead,we have the satelites,the brains.i bet they can already do it,just nobody is talking about it.unless it is the "let"s not start slinging ballistic missiles at each other thing.

**Freeloader** · 09 Aug 10,, 15:58

Originally Posted by ArmchairGeneral

Are we still talking about the DF-21? As I understand it the general assumption is that it has a radar seeker in the warhead, same as the Pershing II.
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I was wondering if there was an EMP component to this new missile as well. I heard a few people imply they felt there was, thus why this missile is different from ones that other countries have had for years.

I was under the impression that a solo missile could not perform the stated objective of sinking a carrier..

**zraver** · 09 Aug 10,, 16:55

Originally Posted by ArmchairGeneral

However, is there not a possibility of home on jam? Wouldn't help with chaff or any other decoys, of course.

Unlikely that the carrier will be providing its own ECM. That is the job of the Burkers and Tico's. By movign the location of the ECM emitters you can actually mask the location of the carrier by creating an area that looks like its massively protected and thus has a carrier when in fact Mr. Nimitz is getting ready to cornhole the attacker.

**Juramentado** · 09 Aug 10,, 18:02

Originally Posted by tbm3fan

So someone in China is not afraid of starting a shooting war with the U.S. by making a pre-emptive strike on a ship that hasn't fired a shot itself...? Hmm, that someone also seems pretty confident of pinpointing each missile.

Only if we assume the comment isn't rhetoric - like Iran's "100 ships will attack every American vessel..."- Quite frankly, until China shoots one in a test fire and can prove accuracy against a moving target, one has to be conservative about capabilities...

**ArmchairGeneral** · 09 Aug 10,, 18:28

Very good point.

**gunnut** · 09 Aug 10,, 19:48

Originally Posted by Blademaster

Say, if you left some missiles orbiting in space around Earth and at a given moment in time, PRC orders one of the missiles to attack at an object, moving or nonmoving, how long does it take to travel from the orbital spot to the target on ground? In that time, a shop moving 35 knots will move in what distance?

Isn't there a treaty of some kind, barring weapons in space?