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Reply With Quotenote to self... need to google "passive aggressive" at a late time.
I have no interest in debating with you, because when you lose an argument you just cut other people off. I would rather spend my time debating with someone more mature.
Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers
note to self... need to google "passive aggressive" at a late time.
“the misery of being exploited by capitalists is nothing compared to the misery of not being exploited at all” -- Joan Robinson
Then let me show you how old and mean I just am.
Chimo
The topic you're trying to debate the Colonel is probably the absolute worst topic you could choose, given his extensive professional knowledge.
Any comparison between Mao and Stalin/Hitler is whacked right off the bat. Mao was nowhere as ruthless nor as determined as the latter two, though there is no doubt that he was far more insane.
Stalin/Hitler made no attempts at hiding the attrocities they commit. Indeed, they relied on them to spread terror and compliance. The GPCR was nothing but insanity from the get-go, even if viewed from the lense of securing Mao's rule. Mao created the Red Guards, an army of teenagers. Only problem with that is that teenagers grow up. The Red Guards were on their death throes when Mao died and the mini civil war that errupted was not even a match for the PLA.
Mao dragged his country back to the stone age though he did have nice new rockets to show for it but farms were destroyed and families uprooted for no other purpose than to satisfy his dillusions of grandeur as the creator the Communist Paradise where everyone was equal. Equal all right, equally poor.
There is no comparison to Stalin/Hitler. Despite their brutality, they did the one thing Mao could not and did not do. They've rebuilt their countries, through brutality but they did rebuild their countries. Stalin, not only rebuilt his country, he won a World War while being at it and he didn't winced at paying the price - 30 million dead just because of the war.
Mao? Not even in the same league.
Chimo
If I understand you right what you are saying is the Hitler/Stalin were "better" (in the sense of being "succesful) at what they did compared to Mao while (and partly due) being ruthless, and Maos "bodycount" was less based on "evilness" but rather being incompetent & uncaring?
uh I might be wrong
Far more insanity more than "incompetent & uncaring."
Chimo
But is insanity not a trait you would not also attribute to Stalin & Hitler? Though one might consider it a "high functioning insanity".
uh I might be wrong
Both of them viewed their actions through the lens of national power. Mao saw his actions through the lens of communist nirvana. The former saw obstacles and challenges that must be worked through. The latter saw himself as a god.
Chimo
Was that due to syphilis?
"Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.
Maybe since he was thinking with his d!ck most of the time.
Chimo
Yes, too many died from starvation, more often the weak and old people who didn’t live their natural life span. But look at the life span in China and India, you see Indians live a shorter life than Chinese, you don’t say they are killed, they found their early graves from malnutrition, and poor Medicare. The difference is Mao’s bad ecomomic policies that sent people to their premature last resting place.
In China today, people have mixed feelings for him, as time goes on, people tend to forget and forgive his mischief and remember his virtues, but if you ask people whether they like to go back to his time, few would nod heir heads. Me for one, I loathed him 20 or 30 years ago, now I don’t talk about him.
i have to say that he was an evil man,but pretty convinced that he will be remembered as a great figure down in chinese history.he was a history figure anywhere,died many decades ago,sometimes i have admit that every greatness has its evil side.
Sadly as with all such cases, he did not see himself as evil, not even with his own deeds.
Chimo
He was isolated from reality, he had the mentality of an emperor, that’s the evil in him, at the bottom, he is an idealist.
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