Thread: Deterrence as an Operational Objective question

Originally Posted by appu_sen

I understood only what the phrase literally meant. If the phrase points to any incidence in history, I'm unaware of it. If so, please enlighten me.

There is no single incident but the whole China's history. You can call the rule of Communist party in China as the latest incident if you want. Chineses will let CPC rule and don't care about democracy as long as it gives them enough reasons to be happy.

Only point I can see is maybe China wanted to make allies with Western countries against Soviet Union. They had to do something to prove it. And as somebody said, attacking Vietnam is the same with attacking Soviet Union at that time. But it was more like to provoke Soviet Union to attack them than to deter

It's impossible.Do you know how much a war can spend.And it's unnecessary to approve.
In 1969,China and Soviet Union has a small war in Zhenbao island.And all countries know that their relation is too bad.That's why Nixon come to China in 1972.And I don't think China and Soviet Union want a war.Otherwise 1969 is a good chance for them. After that
war Deng begin reduce military expenditure and say “Peace and development is the mainstream of the world”，so China regard Vietnam as a Security threat at that time.And I think Deng want to Create a favorable environment for the development of econic,so he decided to solve Vietnam problem

Originally Posted by Luke Gu

It's impossible.Do you know how much a war can spend.And it's unnecessary to approve.
In 1969,China and Soviet Union has a small war in Zhenbao island.And all countries know that their relation is too bad.That's why Nixon come to China in 1972.And I don't think China and Soviet Union want a war.Otherwise 1969 is a good chance for them. After that
war Deng begin reduce military expenditure and say “Peace and development is the mainstream of the world”，so China regard Vietnam as a Security threat at that time.And I think Deng want to Create a favorable environment for the development of econic,so he decided to solve Vietnam problem

Did you read the whole thread?

Did you read the whole thread?

I read yours.And don't forget it,Vietnamese invaded Cambodia at that time.So we can get that Vietnamese Pursued expansionist strategy at that time.

Originally Posted by Luke Gu

I read yours.And don't forget it,Vietnamese invaded Cambodia at that time.So we can get that Vietnamese Pursued expansionist strategy at that time.

Omfg!!! Read the whole thread please. And don't argue with me because I am Vietnamese. Go fight with Mr. OoE.

Omfg!!! Read the whole thread please. And don't argue with me because I am Vietnamese. Go fight with Mr. OoE.

Sorry ，but why your location is Germany .Are you a immigrant。

Originally Posted by Luke Gu

In 1969,China and Soviet Union has a small war in Zhenbao island.And all countries know that their relation is too bad.That's why Nixon come to China in 1972.And I don't think China and Soviet Union want a war.Otherwise 1969 is a good chance for them.

The Russians weren't ready for war in 1969. They had less than 4 divisions, 2 aircraft squadrons, and no nukes in 1969. By the time that they were ready in 1973, there were 450,000 troops in 45 divisions, 2000 tanks, 1000 aircrafts, and 200 nukes. They've also asked the US to support such a war. The US said no.

Originally Posted by Luke Gu

After that war Deng begin reduce military expenditure and say “Peace and development is the mainstream of the world”，

Deng came to power in 1979.

Originally Posted by Luke Gu

so China regard Vietnam as a Security threat at that time.And I think Deng want to Create a favorable environment for the development of econic,so he decided to solve Vietnam problem

So, why wait until the end of the Sino-Soviet Friendship Treaty?

Deng came to power in 1979.

I think my poor Englsh have made you misunderstand me ,the war I said is in 1979,not 1969.

The Russians weren't ready for war in 1969. They had less than 4 divisions, 2 aircraft squadrons, and no nukes in 1969. By the time that they were ready in 1973, there were 450,000 troops in 45 divisions, 2000 tanks, 1000 aircrafts, and 200 nukes. They've also asked the US to support such a war. The US said no.

Are you sure about it.The relationship between China andSino-Sovie break up in 1960.And after then ,the relationship is worse. They began to prepare for war.In 1969,Soviet Union has 45 divisions ，total 675 thousand soldiers on two contries' border。China has more than 2000 thousand soliders.I think what you said is in zhenbao island.If Soviet Union want,the conflict is a good pretense。
The relationship of them becomes alleviation until 1982.

Originally Posted by Luke Gu

Sorry ，but why your location is Germany .Are you a immigrant。

Luke... it's not a chatroom.

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Originally Posted by Luke Gu

I think my poor Englsh have made you misunderstand me ,the war I said is in 1979,not 1969.

You state that the Soviets would have gone to war in 1969 because that was the best time. Deng had no effect on the Sino-Soviet border until 1979.

Originally Posted by Luke Gu

Are you sure about it.The relationship between China andSino-Sovie break up in 1960.And after then ,the relationship is worse. They began to prepare for war.In 1969,Soviet Union has 45 divisions ，total 675 thousand soldiers on two contries' border。China has more than 2000 thousand soliders.I think what you said is in zhenbao island.If Soviet Union want,the conflict is a good pretense。
The relationship of them becomes alleviation until 1982.

My copies of the IISS Military Balance states otherwise. The Soviet build up did not occur until 1970. In 1969, the Russians had 4 divisions on the Sino-Soviet border.

Also, Leonid Brezhnev asked Richard Nixon in 1973.

You state that the Soviets would have gone to war in 1969 because that was the best time. Deng had no effect on the Sino-Soviet border until 1979.

Sorry ，it's my word mistake。

My copies of the IISS Military Balance states otherwise. The Soviet build up did not occur until 1970. In 1969, the Russians had 4 divisions on the Sino-Soviet border.

Yes ，you are right。The Soviet had 1270 thousand soliders，14,300 tanks, 4200 aircraft in Asia。Because of the big gap of weapons，so Soviet had big advantage。Maybe you think it was used to America，But Mao didn't think so。China spend many Energy to build Construction of fortifications so that we can win when the Soviets comes。

Originally Posted by Luke Gu

But Mao didn't think so。China spend many Energy to build Construction of fortifications so that we can win when the Soviets comes。

The PLA didn't think so after 1979.