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    Same-sex marriages in China

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...-china-beijing

    Beijing's 'happy couples' launch campaign for same-sex marriages

    Wedding pictures event as gay community fights hostility and discrimination

    * Tania Branigan in Beijing
    * The Guardian, Wednesday 25 February 2009
    * Article history

    Lesbians pose for wedding photos in Beijing

    Lesbians Da Na and Bu Xiu pose for their wedding photographs at Qianmen street on Valentine's Day in Beijing. Photograph: Jason Lee/Reuters

    With her bouquet of roses and fluffy white dress, Han Xincheng looked the epitome of the glamorous modern Chinese bride. But, although her parents had been pressing her to marry, the photographs were not what they might have expected: she is gazing adoringly at another woman, surrounded by onlookers.

    The series of "wedding pictures" staged by lesbians and gay men in the heart of Beijing might not raise eyebrows any longer in most western countries, but they are evidence that attitudes are finally changing in a country where gay sex was illegal until 1997 and homosexuality classified as a mental illness until four years later.

    There is still no legal protection against discrimination in China and few role models: no mainstream figures are openly gay. Yet now parts of China's gay population are calling for the right to wed - and meeting with some sympathy.

    "Many reactions were quite positive and some people even came up to give us their blessing," said Han, though she acknowledges that overall the public reaction was negative.

    One Chinese news report attracted 15,000 comments online - more than half disapproved. These days there are gay and lesbian bars in most big cities in China. There are unofficial magazines, NGOs that work with the community, even government funding for grassroots work, albeit mainly connected to tackling HIV. But, as in many countries, the gulf between attitudes in large cities and small villages can be stark. And the Chinese gay community faces different problems to its counterparts in the west: the censorship of gay books and films, the closure of bars and culture festivals, the variable tolerance of NGOs in general.

    Police did not try to halt the recent event, but participants stressed they were friends who just decided to act and were not part of an organisation.

    Li Yinghe, an academic at the prestigious Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, has repeatedly proposed legalising gay marriage, but thinks the Chinese political system must develop first.

    "When there are ways to deliver these demands, this issue can be put on the agenda. Maybe it will take 10 years - maybe it needs decades," she said.

    Yet the underlying ground may be fertile. Gay men and lesbians say there is less overt hostility than in the west and certainly less physical harassment. Li's research in cities suggests about 91% of people are happy to work with gay colleagues - a higher rate than in US surveys - and that 30% back gay marriage.

    She argues that Chinese culture has historically been more tolerant than others: "We don't have religions which are absolutely against homosexuality, for example. But the pressure to marry is huge - far greater than in the west."

    Han, 27, thinks her parents know she is a lesbian. "But my mum told me I must have experience of marriage, no matter how long it lasts. I don't think she hopes to change my sexuality, she just thinks my life will be more stable," said the media professional.

    For Dana, the other "bride", Chinese culture's stress on marrying and continuing the family line is precisely why the right to wed matters.

    "Family is such an important concept here; people aren't supportive of homosexuality because they basically believe same-sex couples can't form a family. If we have stable families, society will see we are safe, that we are mainstream," said the 24-year-old student, who asked that only her English nickname be used.

    Others want to safeguard their legal rights in a relationship, while another participant, Xian, hopes the very boldness of the demand will raise the profile of a community whose biggest problem is ignorance, not hostility.

    "If the public don't know about us, they won't include us in anti-discrimination law. For me the main goal of this event is raising our visibility and opening up a space to discuss these issues," she said.

    Sun Dehua is the embodiment of increasing awareness and tolerance: a farmer who plotted to blow up his son's gay bar because he was so appalled by his homosexuality, but who now runs a hotline for the parents of gay children.

    "I believed he had been led astray by bad people or we would have a daughter-in-law and the happiness we deserved. I felt my whole life depended on him and I didn't want to live any more. I was so angry I wanted to kill him and myself," he said.

    But when his son fled the city with his boyfriend, both fearing for their lives, Sun began to think again. Now he has bought a house for the couple and hopes that one day they can wed. "These people want marriage and it's their right. We must learn to accept them," he said.

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    dude, did you just ask gunnut to get married with you in china
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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    dude, did you just ask gunnut to get married with you in china
    Puts the term "Cross-Strait Relations" to a whole new level

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    lollllll

    I don't think the communist regime will ever allow gay guys to wed each other.

    Hmm, actually, maybe. For them it'll be like if gay guys get married to each other, they won't have children, which is really good.

    But oh wait, then the gays will try to adopt children, will the authorities allow that in the future? We'll just have to sit around and wait and see I guess

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    I remember having a poll in university class on whether you could accept the idea of gay/lesbian. I said something like 'Why? Nothing wrong with it.' And the guy sitting next to me was looking at me as if I were from Mars.
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    Xinhui is leaving his wife for me. We are running off to be cowboys...

    Peace...through superior gay power.
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    Not that there is anything wrong with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnut View Post
    Xinhui is leaving his wife for me. We are running off to be cowboys...

    Peace...through superior gay power.
    *Feels the love )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    Not that there is anything wrong with that.
    It's got to do with popular thinking. Although there won't be much voice from religion like in North America or in Europe, traditional Chinese rural psyche would still play a big role regarding the legal status of the homosexual community. Plus there are those old-school CCP dignitaries (or maybe I'm biased towards CCP).

    One name. Li Yinhe (her mother was a founding member of People's Daily), wife of the late famous writer Wang Xiaobo, is the most significant voice for protecting gay/lesbian people's rights, as well as being a feminist.

    Her blog:
    http://blog.sina.com.cn/liyinhe
    Last edited by snowhole; 25 Feb 09, at 22:59.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnut View Post
    Xinhui is leaving his wife for me. We are running off to be cowboys...

    Peace...through superior gay power.
    is that a rainbow in your Avatar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xinhui View Post
    is that a rainbow in your Avatar?
    Why...yes, yes it is...
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