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Reply With QuoteYou mean humanitarian assistance and disaster relief exercises. I had to Google to check.Originally Posted by astralis
merlin,
just a few minor HADR exercises.
andy,
look at your article from yesterday and the article you posted 28 July, you can see a certain admiral talking being, ah, rather overoptimistic.
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You mean humanitarian assistance and disaster relief exercises. I had to Google to check.
I notice this tread was started in Oct 2008. Why was there an agreement for military exchanges between China and US at that time when Bush was still President? Bearing in mind reality on the ground before Oct 2008, it would sound a bit far fetch to me.
Last edited by xinhui; 23 Aug 09, at 05:58.
a classic example of Army vs Navy?
anyways..................
“Guangzhou” warship holds exercises with foreign naval ships in return trip
english.chinamil.com.cn 2009-08-21
After wrapping up the goodwill visit to Indonesia, the “Guangzhou” warship of the Chinese PLA Navy left Manado, Indonesia at 19:00 on August 19 and started to return home. On its way back, it staged vessel formation movement exercise and communication drill with the Burke class destroyers USS Fitzgerald and USS McCampbell in a sea area to the north of Manado. The two sides also conducted light signal drill at the same time.
At 15:00 on August 20, the “Guangzhou” warship staged a formation movement exercise with the missile frigate Kedah of the Malaysian Navy in the Sulawesi Sea.
By Mo Xiaoliang and Zhong Jijun
(Aug 21, Chinanews.com) Editor: Dong Zhaohui
Last edited by xinhui; 23 Aug 09, at 05:57.
merlin,
what agreement? in fact, military exchanges were frozen by the chinese in that period.Why was there an agreement for military exchanges between China and US at that time when Bush was still President?
There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov
-Leo Tolstoy
War and Peace
andy,
nah...just an operational commander trying to put public pressure on the chinese.a classic example of Army vs Navy?
There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov
-Leo Tolstoy
War and Peace
Merlin
Overall, Sino-US relationship actually changed little over the year.
Last edited by xinhui; 23 Aug 09, at 06:03.
I see, but I was thinking that US Navy (well, folks at the US naval war college) generally hold a softer line toward China compare to the folks at the US Army War college.
andy,
that may as be but doesn't have much to do with how exchanges are planned-- Navy simply has more and larger areas of cooperation with the PLAN than the army does with the PLA. doesn't necessarily indicate a softer line.I see, but I was thinking that US Navy (well, folks at the US naval war college) generally hold a softer line toward China compare to the folks at the US Army War college.
There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov
-Leo Tolstoy
War and Peace
I suppose you mean military relationship.
In that case, what prompted the agreement last year to have military exchanges?
merlin,
what agreement?In that case, what prompted the agreement last year to have military exchanges?
There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov
-Leo Tolstoy
War and Peace
Xrough started this thread with the title '... military exchanges'. And quoted an article with a big title (no source mentioned for confirmation) that says 'cancel ... military exchanges'.
Are these just US China military exchange proposals that has been cancelled? Not agreements.
Probably I was mislead.
Last edited by Merlin; 23 Aug 09, at 16:56.
a follow up.
Aug 24, 2009
US seeks relief drill with China
TOKYO - US ARMY chief of staff General George Casey said on Monday he wished to improve ties with China's military and would draft plans for a joint disaster relief exercise.
Gen. Casey, who reportedly had a tense meeting with Chinese military leaders last week, said humanitarian missions should be one of the ways to enhance ties between Washington and Beijing.
'It is a way to begin discussions between our two countries,' said Gen. Casey, who is visiting Japan this week for meetings and seminars involving military leaders and senior officials from Asia-Pacific nations.
'We had some good discussions (with) my Chinese counterparts about our future with our military-to-military relationship,' he told a press conference at the Tokyo event focused on disaster relief.
'And one of the areas they suggested was to work on a humanitarian assistance-disaster relief exercise that we will do bilaterally.
'When I return, I intend to begin the process of building an exercise like that,' he said.
A meeting last Thursday between Casey and General Ge Zhenfeng, deputy chief of the People's Liberation Army's general staff, 'turned rancorous", the New York Times reported.
Gen. Ge gave a 'sharp lecture on the failure of the United States to respect China's interests' and Casey rebutted the argument, the newspaper said, citing a witness and a report by the Xinhua news agency.
The Tokyo event, designed to discuss international military cooperation in the area of disaster relief, included a conference for Asia-Pacific army chiefs and a separate seminar programme for senior military officials.
China sent participants to the senior officials' programmes, but not to the army chiefs' event. -- AFP
US seeks relief drill with China
merlin,
still not sure what "agreements" you are talking about, each side proposes exchanges they are interested in. but yes, proposals were cancelled.Are these just US China military exchange proposals that has been cancelled? Not agreements.
There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov
-Leo Tolstoy
War and Peace
http://www.ndu.edu/inss/Strforum/SF242/SF242.pdf
Managing Strategic
Competition with China
by Phillip C. Saunders
Phillip C. Saunders, Ph.D.
Dr. Phillip C. Saunders is a Senior Research Fellow at the National Defense University Institute for National Strategic Studies. He joined the INSS Research Directorate from the Monterey Institute of International Studies, where for the last four years he served as Director of the East Asia Nonproliferation Program, Center for Nonproliferation Studies, and taught courses on Chinese politics, Chinese foreign policy, and East Asian security. Dr. Saunders has conducted research and consulted on East Asian security issues for the Woodrow Wilson School at Princeton University, the Council on Foreign Relations, RAND, and the National Committee on U.S.-China Relations. Dr. Saunders focuses on China and East Asian security studies for the INSS Research Directorate. He received his Ph.D. in International Relations from the Woodrow Wilson School, Princeton University. Dr. Saunders served as an officer in the United States Air Force from 1989-1993, working on Asian security issues at the Pentagon.
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