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    China's dream crumbling

    China's dream crumbling


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    The stars do not appear to shine on China's mandarins. Their Olympian dream crumbles in the fire of the Olympic torch. The relay that was to circumnavigate the globe in triumph has turned into a parody of a damp squib. The assembled multitudes who came not to revile the coming Caesars but to praise them misread the script: Jeers, not cheers, marked its every step. The celebration of Tibetan freedom has turned into a global forest fire, and not all the king's horses nor all the king's men -- Beijing's security thugs if you must know -- have been able to put out the flames.

    The elected socialist Mayor of Paris and the city fathers have honoured the reviled Dalai Lama and the imprisoned Chinese dissident scholar Hu Jia by making them honorary citizens of France, to presumed applause from the shades of Voltaire and Rousseau, and to three visible cheers from legions of the living, who cherish life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

    Supporters of the country's Right-wing President Nicolas Sarkozy combined with the Communists to register their disapproval based on the lowest common factor of economic profit leavened by political advantage in the overall dealings with the Middle Kingdom. Orchestrated demonstrations against the French Embassy and French enterprises in China have commenced, the expected theatre of crisis, but these are unlikely to reach the xenophobic pitch of the Cultural Revolution or the earlier Boxer Rebellion and the siege of the foreign quarter and its legations at the turn of the 20th century.

    But China is clearly out of sync with the rest of the world. Zimbabwe's hugely discredited despot, Mr Robert Gabriel Mugabe, having burgled his country's general election, ruined its economy and reduced the citizenry to ignoble penury, has ordered a shipload of arms from China for his Zanu PF praetorian guard as insurance in a fast deteriorating situation. The whole of Sub-Saharan Africa being exercised by Zimbabwe's deepening crisis, it would surely have made diplomatic sense to consult the African Union and Zimbabwe's neighbours in southern Africa, and even states further afield, but that would amount to a failure to appreciate the constricted sensibility of the primordial mandarin, in the memorable words of the proconsul George Nathaniel Curzon, "discharging his ceremonial duties with a mechanical and servile accuracy... but arrogant with a pride beyond human conception".

    In despatching the consignment of weaponry, Beijing was no doubt upholding Zimbabwean sovereignty, just as it had Pakistan's amid Islamabad's massacres in Bangladesh in 1971, and it was its own sovereign right, no doubt, to aid a friend in need irrespective of the self-same friend's monstrous deeds.

    Traditional Chinese statecraft evokes reverence among some Western Sinophiles, notably Mr Henry Kissinger, not by coincidence an admirer of the reactionary 19th century Austrian Minister Count Metternich. The former US Secretary of State and National Security Adviser was much given to drooling at the mention of Chou En-lai and his master Mao Tse-tung. Yet the low, criminal cunning of Dickens's Artful Dodger is scarcely comparable to an imaginative diplomacy driven by instincts of decency and broad intellectual horizons. The enduring mentality of a tributary overlord defeats this purpose.

    China's Ambassador to Britain, Madame Fu Ying, in a whimpering attack on British and Tibetan protesters on the editorial page of The Daily Telegraph referred to the shock felt by Chinese students in the UK and their compatriots at home as they witnessed the mayhem of the Olympic torch relay in London. Was this the land of Shakespeare and Dickens, she asked plaintively. It most assuredly is. Where would these islands and the wider world be without them? Madame Fu would do well to meditate on their intellectual and moral significance in the context of her own country and its people.

    The warp and weft of Han Chinese nationalism reveals an ingrained victimhood that brooks no denial. The wrongs done to China in the 19th century by an imperialist West, as if they were recent occurrences, are drilled into impressionable minds and intoned as self-evident truths. The sufferings inflicted on China's minority peoples -- in Xinjiang, for example -- are blissfully ignored.

    Writing in The International Herald Tribune, Matthew Forney, an American journalist resident in Beijing, debunks the naïve belief in a new liberal, Left-leaning generation of Han Chinese sophisticates. The genre simply doesn't exist. He writes: "Educated young Chinese far from being embarrassed by their Government's human rights record, rank among the most patriotic, establishment-supporting people you'll meet. As is clear to anyone who lives here, most young ethnic Chinese strongly support their Government's suppression of the recent Tibetan uprising. One Chinese friend who has a degree from a European university described the conflict as 'a clash between the commercial world and an old aboriginal society'. She praised her Government for treating Tibetan people better than New World settlers treated American Indians. It is a rare person in China who considers the desires of the Tibetans themselves. 'Young Chinese have no sympathy for Tibet,' a Beijing human rights lawyer, Teng Biao, told me."

    There is something akin to collective amnesia on Mao's tyranny and its excesses such as the Great Leap Forward and the 30 million dead from starvation and his murderously destructive Cultural Revolution. All that apparently matters to the young is money and future prosperity. Shades of Imperial Japan's 'Co-Prosperity Sphere' and Adolf Hitler's Third Reich, where obedient populations acquiesced in their own indoctrination for the greater glory of the state.

    The stability of dictatorships can, however, prove illusory. Gen Galtieri's regime collapsed in Argentina like of house of cards in the aftermath of the Falkland's war, which he himself started with false expectations. The Shah of Iran, despite the grandiose comedy of Persepolis, fell to the medievalist nostrums of an Islamic cleric called Ayatollah Khomeini. And the British envoy Lord Macartney, having witnessed the ritual and splendour of the Qing court in 1793, likened China to a ship unaware of its own distress. "She may perhaps not sink overnight... but she can never be rebuilt on the old bottom," he wrote.

    Jonathan Spence, the distinguished Yale historian of China questions China's claim to modernity. "I understand a modern nation to be one that is both integrated and receptive, fairly sure of its own identity yet able to join others on equal terms in the quest for new markets, new technologies, new ideas. If it is used in this open sense, we should have no difficulty in seeing modern as a concept that shifts with the times as human life unfolds, instead of relegating the sense of the modern to our contemporary world while consigning the past to the traditional and the future to the post-modern. I like to think that there were modern countries -- in the above sense -- in AD 1600, as at any moment in the centuries thereafter. Yet at no time in that span, not at the end of the 20th century, has China convincingly been one of them."

    Amen to that.
    An interesting analysis.

    The Olympic Flame is the property of the IOC.

    So unfortunate that China made it a prestige point and ate crow, in a manner of speaking!!

    I am surprised that the normally astute Chinese made such a grave error in judgement!!
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    Why 'astute' Sir? The last twenty or thirty years of western press has played the CCP as clever but inscrutable players with an eye to the long game.
    The last two weeks have shown them to not have the faintest clue, blundering from one outside stimulus to the next.
    I remember saying when Hong Kong was reunified that China wasn't taking over Hong Kong, Hong Kong was taking over China and the CCP was just going to be dragged along for the ride.

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    Maybe, I am the one who is ''brainwashed'' )


    "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

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    I am surprised that the normally astute Chinese made such a grave error in judgement!!
    Normally astute?
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    I have to say that while the article have some valid points, it does not take into account one very important aspect of Chinese diplomacy - its influence. No matter how bad the reception to the Olympic torch, or how un-modern the Yale historian considers China, it now wields considerable influence both in Asia and abroad due to the sheer size of its economy. Yes, the Chinese diplomatic tactics are outdated and fairly ineffective, but by sheer force these same tactics can and have worked on both nations and companies since no one wants to alienate such a large market. I am fairly sure that the whimpering attack by the Chinese ambassador will bring an apology sometime in the near future. Yes, the intellectual content of her statement is in question, but the economic might that's backing her up is not. What the world does with a nation that's more into blunt force diplomacy is a whole other story.
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    Why 'astute' Sir? The last twenty or thirty years of western press has played the CCP as clever but inscrutable players with an eye to the long game.
    the CCP has actually played a pretty good long game when it comes to economics and asian diplomatic relationships, at least in the past ten years or so.

    however, outside of that, the CCP is indeed very clumsy. they are trying to satisfy three pressures here, ranked in general order of importance: the nationalistic pressures of the internal populace, economic/energy needs, and friendly relationships with outside (western especially) countries.

    however, sometimes these rankings shift, and the CCP takes a while to react- not always correctly.
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    Clumsy or otherwise, I find that Chinese diplomacy very effective.

    True, its large market make it more acceptable to those interested in her market, yet China's steadfast pursuance of issues and refusal to budge, does make it comprehensible and hence acceptable with those who deal with her.

    For instance, notwithstanding, the huge problems of the Torch, which it could have just taken off the programme and thereby douse the flames and vectored it off Tibet, it continued to pursue it original plan.

    Very astutely, it forced the foreign govts, where the Torch Rally went, to comply to Chinese wishes. To ensure that there were no cognisable damage to its prestige whereby the Torch is stolen or damaged, China made the govts beef up the security, truncated routes, changed routes. Her aim of flashing the Torch thus has been achieved and govts forced to comply to her wish! This indicated to the world, that China's diktats have to be listened to. China patted those countries that complied and the pat from such an autocratic regime made the local natives of that country go into peals of delight!! And those, like France, was reminded that it would be costly to cross swords with China!! And thus, the world was warned!

    The coup for China is not really the Torch. It is the organising the Han Diaspora to counter the Tibet protest is what is the coup! It showcased to the world that there are many Hans in their country and that fact should not be forgotten! It has many underlining meaning, some of it are not very comforting to nations who are wary of China!!

    That is why Andrei Yang's article is an interesting one.

    It could also be a 'plant', wherein in a left handed manner warns nations of the dangerous consequences of not taking China seriously!!

    Reminds me of the Chinese strategy game - Go or Wéiqí in Traditional Chinese.
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    On the contrary I think the Torch has done long term damage to the China. It reminded everyone that many things in China remain the same 20 years after Tiananmen Square. It is easier to advocate economic interests when you marry it with moral political goals. Do you think it is less or more likely that a 25% tarriff on all Chinese goods would go through the US Congress after this incident?

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    I suppose "ineffective" was not the best word to describe what I thought of Chinese diplomacy. The best approximation would be "blunt" and "incredibly pushy." (ineffective in a style sense I suppose) I agree with Ray in stating that while the reception to the Torch has not elevated the world's opinion of China, it has reaffirmed the potency of its economy and hence diplomacy. The organization of the Diaspora is also indicative of the influence that China now holds for better or worse. As for the tariff - I would have to say it isn't very likely. Calling for the creation of some legislation based on human rights sounds good in a speech. In practice, a national government would be extremely foolish to do so - most Americans will NOT be happy when they have to pay an extra 25% on practically all textiles and houseware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hx37 View Post
    Calling for the creation of some legislation based on human rights sounds good in a speech. In practice, a national government would be extremely foolish to do so - most Americans will NOT be happy when they have to pay an extra 25% on practically all textiles and houseware.
    They are really calling for the tariff to force China to revalue the Yuan to close the trade imbalance. There are a lot of people here who are really worried about their jobs because of an undervalued Chinese currency. Also, if they put a tarriff of 25% the retail prices will probably increase 5% if at all. On a typical retail product, the import prices are just a small fraction. Most of the cost is for marketing, retailing, transporting etc. in the US. Of course this would affect the profit margins of various companies, but they can afford it because corporate profits (as a fraction of GDP) are at historical highs right now. Also corporations can easily shift production to other countries like Vietnam to avoid the tariffs.

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    I was not looking at the economic aspects since I am not too well conversant with it.

    Though I agree the valuation of the Yuan is a matter that is being debated for quite sometime.

    I looked at the issue from the political standpoint.

    From the political point of view (I agree that economic aspects cannot be divorced), China has not done too badly either.


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    One coin has two faces. China also has two faces.
    In my opinion, China lost the media war. And from the "Olympic toch event" China will learn many things. In the long time, that's not a bad thing.

    And I post a poem, "Thats the polititions not the common people ,I think the poem should be directed at the right people". From the poem We can see a bad China. The article Ray posed is more kind than whichs I saw last month.

    And just as I know, Not only Tibetan people but also lots of west China people are living in poverty, So China has many program to develop the west of China, such as "The development of West China Program". China want to learn American, the western United States is also very poor before. Chinese all want to see better development in Tibet, Chinese people want to have a stable and development country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodamanda View Post
    One coin has two faces.
    When We were called Sick man of Asia, We were called The Peril.
    When We are billed to be the next Superpower, We are called The threat.

    When We were closed our doors, You smuggled Drugs to Open Markets.
    When We Embrace Freed Trade, You blame us for Taking away your jobs.
      
    When We were falling apart, You marched in your troops and wanted your "fair share".
    When We were putting the broken pieces together again, "Free Tibet" you screamed, "it was an invasion!"
      
    So, We Tried Communism, You hated us for being Communists
    When We embrace Capitalism, You hate us for being Capitalist.
     
    When We have a Billion People, you said we were destroying the planet.
    When We are tried limited our numbers, you said It was human rights abuse.

    When We were Poor, You think we are dogs.
    When We Loan you cash, You blame us for your debts.
      
    When We build our industries, You called us Polluters.
    When we sell you goods, You blame us for global warming.
      
    When We buy oil, You called that exploitation and Genocide.
    When You fight for oil, You called that Liberation.
      
    When We were lost in Chaos and rampage, You wanted Rules of Law for us.
    When We uphold law and order against Violence, You called that Violating Human Rights.

    When We were silent, You said you want us to have Free Speech.
    When We were silent no more, You say we were Brainwashed-Xenophoics.
      
    Why do you hate us so much? We asked.
    "No," You Answered, "We don't hate You."
      
    We don't Hate You either,
    But Do you understand us?
      
    "Of course We do," You said,
    "We have AFP, CNN and BBCs..."
      
    What do you really want from us?
    Think Hard first, then Answer...
      
    Because you only get so many chances,
    Enough is Enough, Enough Hypocrisy for this one world.
      
    We want One World, One Dream, And Peace On Earth.
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    Do you have anything intelligent to contribute?

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