Thread: Tibet protest in a perspective.

Dalai has breached the commandment of Buddhism!

Killing and hatred are the two major forbiddens in the commandment of Buddhism. Dalai instigated his followers to hate and kill Han Chinese, which has breached the commandement. So he's NO MORE A BUDDHIST although he still claims himself to be a "monk".

Originally Posted by flow

Dalai has breached the commandment of Buddhism!

Killing and hatred are the two major forbiddens in the commandment of Buddhism. Dalai instigated his followers to hate and kill Han Chinese, which has breached the commandement. So he's NO MORE A BUDDHIST although he still claims himself to be a "monk".

And what Han Chinese have been killed in the latest uprisings?

Do you want to know why the result of the election favoured the Blue Camp? Because of Taiwan's economy crash and the Green Camp's corruption.

Can Taiwan rely on the US's economic help like India? The answer is no. Because the US's economy is declining and goods imported from the US are much more expensive with no better quality. The expensive imported goods have led to serious inflation in Taiwan.

And the Green Camp's corruption, of course seldom reported in those countries that are anti-China, are well known between Taiwanese. They voted Mr. Ma partly because he's the symbol of incorruptibility.

If you don't belive, just access Taiwan news websites.

I dont think neither Taiwan nor Tibet would have any problem joining China, if it ceased to exist as a Communist Dictatorship.

Originally Posted by flow

As can be seen from Ray's posts here and elsewhere. He is anti-China, so he's comments are always bias.

He might be talking in bias, but can you refute his claims, you cant.

Those, who supports Tibetan terrorists are ANTI-HUMAN.

How so?

What the Tibetan terrorists think is not as simple as they say "for culture and religion freedom". They instigated hatred to the Han Chinese.

What right has Han Chinese to be in Tibet in the first place. A communist nation which is trying to inherit a tibet, which it has no legal authority since the accord was signed between a imperalist chinese emperor and imperalist tibetian king. If China cant agree to Imperalism posed by British, neither can India or Tibet accept the imperalism of some Chinese emperor, or imperalism cloaked under communism and a non-existant nationalism which is again cemented by the differences in culture, ethos and ethnicity.

With extreme "nationality racism", they killed Han immigrations as a revenge to the Chinese government's economic opening policy while ignoring the facts that civilians are INNOCENT!

They have no RIGHT TO BE THERE, TIBETIANS have no right self-determination. An agressor is deprived of the ethos of self-defence.

Tibetian dont consider themselves Chinese. Dalai has said so, though Tibetians dont agree.

Those terrorists are inhuman while some people still suppost them using the veil of "human rights". If you really consider human rights, why don't you accuse Dalai's brutal kiling of Han Chinese?

I have pictures of killings done by PLA and other Chinese functionaries, including the before and after picture of a woman killed at point blank in a filed by a uniformed personal. I can post them, if the mods allove.

Are those innocent people ought to die? Do you like a massacre of Han Chinese in Tibet?

Get out of Tibet, it aint your land.

So don't be brain-washed by the media, and those anti-Chinese governments who're afraid to see a strong China.

Nobody is afraid of china, just sadened.

Originally Posted by Adux

What right has Han Chinese to be in Tibet in the first place. A communist nation which is trying to inherit a tibet, which it has no legal authority since the accord was signed between a imperalist chinese emperor and imperalist tibetian king. If China cant agree to Imperalism posed by British, neither can India or Tibet accept the imperalism of some Chinese emperor, or imperalism cloaked under communism and a non-existant nationalism which is again cemented by the differences in culture, ethos and ethnicity.

The right of conquest. It's Chinese land now whether you like it or not. Get off this spew. It's not going to work. ALL countries had an imperialist past and their work done by kings. Those countries without an imperialist past have long ago disappeared into history. And that includes Tibet.

Originally Posted by Ray

I am no friend of the Dalai Lama.

He should go to Tibet and see to it that it remains a peaceful country and with peace with China.

But then the Chinese have other ideas!!

They want a Chinese Tibetan and that is a weird concoction!!

Chinese Tibetan? Like American Indian, or African American? Cultural confluence happens in many countries. And this is an improvement, rather than destruction of domestic culture. Did Asia and Africa reject the import of western culture? Shall the black people in the US rebel, like some Tibetans, to claim for independence because their African culture has been annihilated?

In mainland China, media always appreciate the beautiful and mysterious culture in Tibet, and some Han Chinese even have the religion of Tibetan Buddhism (like my firend Yaoyao). We have never thouhgt of extinguishing Tibet's unique culture. Of course, all we have done to show how friendly we were was never reported by the biased western media. And Dalai, of course, disregarded this because he wants his kingdom back to his control.

Originally Posted by flow

Can Taiwan rely on the US's economic help like India? The answer is no. Because the US's economy is declining and goods imported from the US are much more expensive with no better quality

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India needs US economic Help???

US lacks quality, what world do you live in? The friggin Internet you are using was invented by those chaps.

The expensive imported goods have led to serious inflation in Taiwan.

Let me guess, the answer is to buy from CHINA. Even Pakistan doesnt want Chinese electronics in their JF-17's,(which they are getting practically free) says a lot about Chinese quality.

Tibet: the jealousy, rage and bitterness of a new generation that fuelled deadly riots - Times Online

Tibet: the jealousy, rage and bitterness of a new generation that fuelled deadly riots
Young Tibetans may not remember earlier uprisings but the ethnic tension between the ruled and their rulers is just as acute today

Jane Macartney in Beijing
It was March 1988. Tibetan monks howled and shouted, battered at the door, gouged out the mud-baked roof and bayed for the blood of a top ethnic Tibetan official of the Chinese Government.

Captive in a room within the Jokhang Temple, Tibet's most holy Raidi cowered under a table, sobbed with fear and begged ethnic Han Chinese officials trapped with him for protection. He knew Tibetan retribution would be fiercest against one seen as a turncoat.

Today, nearly two decades later, the ethnic bitterness between ruling Han Chinese and deeply Buddhist Tibetans is no less acute.

Zhang Weihong [not his real name], a Han Chinese, owned a trendy little bar frequented by Chinese, Tibetan students and foreign backpackers in Lhasa's Old City - until last week that is. Gutted by fire, it is one of hundreds of small Han-run businesses destroyed in the anti-Chinese riot that ripped apart Lhasa and killed 13.

Tibetans in communities across the Himalayan plateau and in surrounding provinces who have risen up this week against Chinese rule appear mainly to be young men and women in their teens or twenties. They are from a generation too young to remember either a 1959 uprising against Chinese rule in which tens of thousands were killed or the destruction wreaked by Red Guards - both Chinese and Tibetan - during the 1966-76 Cultural Revolution.

Their anger has been directed as much against the traditional symbols of Chinese power as against ordinary Chinese, hinting at a deepening resentment, even a hatred, that follows ethnic lines.

Ben Hillman, of the Crawford School of Economics and Government of the Australian National University, sees a mix of economic and ethnic factors behind the unrest. “I think there has been a pace of change so fast that Tibetans have failed to keep up. Other groups, such as the Han, have moved in and taken opportunities, and that's caused a great deal of tension - particularly among young Tibetans.”

Beijing has poured billions of dollars into the region over the past three decades to try to develop one of its most backward - and strategically important - corners. The economy has grown at more than 12 per cent for seven years and hit 14 per cent last year - higher even than the national rate. Incomes too have risen: up 13 per cent in 2007 for Tibet's many nomads and farmers and a stunning 24.5 per cent for urban residents.

But there are those who feel left out. Young Tibetans who speak poor Mandarin - the official language of China and crucial to finding a job. Others are accustomed to a more rural way of life and their education, like others in China's vast countryside, leaves them ill-equipped for the rough and tumble of a market economy.

As Mr Hillman said: “These issues are incredibly complex. They are not just economic. It's an oversimplification to say it's the haves against the have-nots.”

Many Tibetans chafe under the restrictions imposed two years ago by the regional party boss that ban Tibetan Government servants from religious activities. Others are keenly aware that scarcely a single Chinese official in the regional government can speak Tibetan. That ethnocentric Han approach only intensifies the ethnic divide and cultural misunderstandings. No ethnic Tibetan has ever held the job of Communist Party boss - a potent signal of Beijing's lack of trust in this deeply Buddhist people who still revere the Dalai Lama.

Mr Hillman said: “It is a real source of resentment among people who feel very proud of their cultural heritage, which is an extremely well-developed one.”

The latest unrest has shown that Beijing needs to do more than restrict religion, vilify the Dalai Lama and throw money at the problem. Mr Hillman said: “Chinese investment has been overwhelmingly in hardware, in infrastructure and not in people, in education, in software.”

Across China, popular fury is being vented in internet chat rooms against the ingratitude of Tibetans. A documentary on the unrest, broadcast repeatedly nationwide since Thursday on state television, has provoked fury among Han Chinese as a sobbing Chinese trader describes the death of his 18-year-old sister in a fire in her shop.

Chinese in Qinghai province, which borders Tibet, voiced their rage openly yesterday on a bus and said that the rioters should be executed at once to teach Tibetans a lesson. Intended to show that only a few Tibetans, manipulated by the Dalai Lama, were involved, the video is already stirring new ethnic hatred.

Chinese have poured into Tibet on the new train to Lhasa that began running over the frozen plateau 18 months ago, visiting as tourists drawn by the mystique of its Buddhist faith and ancient traditions or as traders lured by business opportunities. They may well now recoil after the frenzy of violence. For Tibetans the breakdown of trust is reciprocated. Frightened and embittered, they face a prolonged security crackdown at the hands of Chinese who they may see more than ever as oppressors.

Robbie Barnett, a Tibet expert at Columbia University, said: “Ethnic hatred sometimes appears to be about lack of money and about jealousy - but it always has deeper foundations in long histories of usually bad policy and over-management by the state.”

Already all civil servants, university students and schoolchildren are being required to stand up in public and denounce their exiled god-king in a tested Communist Party tactic that demoralises and humiliates. As for Raidi, the survivor of the 1988 violence, he is now an adviser to Beijing and is leading a campaign in Lhasa to demonise what China routinely brands as the Dalai Lama clique masterminding unrest to try to sabotage the Beijing Olympics. Twenty years on, the ethnic hatred still burns deep.

Originally Posted by flow

Chinese Tibetan? Like American Indian, or African American? Cultural confluence happens in many countries. And this is an improvement, rather than destruction of domestic culture.

Typical communist thinking, Who gave you the authority to decide what is good for the people and what is not?

Did Asia and Africa reject the import of western culture? Shall the black people in the US rebel, like some Tibetans, to claim for independence because their African culture has been annihilated?

Please dont compare Western culture, with Commie Chinese culture. The west threatened or blackmailed people into their culture.

In mainland China, media always appreciate the beautiful and mysterious culture in Tibet, and some Han Chinese even have the religion of Tibetan Buddhism (like my firend Yaoyao).

SO.

We have never thouhgt of extinguishing Tibet's unique culture.

Such arrogance, the mere fact that you believe that you are capable of it, if need be.

Of course, all we have done to show how friendly we were was never reported by the biased western media. And Dalai, of course, disregarded this because he wants his kingdom back to his control.

Chinese lost all their marbles when they accused someone as pacifist as Dalai Lama as a terrorist. Its like calling Gandhi as OBL. Sad.

Originally Posted by Adux

I have pictures of killings done by PLA and other Chinese functionaries, including the before and after picture of a woman killed at point blank in a filed by a uniformed personal. I can post them, if the mods allove.

No, it would not be allowed but I can tell you that it is not by the PLA if the pics are the ones I'm thinking about and in fact, they were photoshopped and not even in China.

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

No, it would not be allowed but I can tell you that it is not by the PLA if the pics are the ones I'm thinking about and in fact, they were photoshopped and not even in China.

Sir,

The pictures are not photoshopped. I will upload it in photobucket and send you the links if need be.

Send me the links and I will decide on its authenticity.

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

The right of conquest.

Then there is a right of self-defence and retaliation.

It's Chinese land now whether you like it or not. Get off this spew.

I have to disagree. Its just not. Its Chinese occupied Land.

It's not going to work. ALL countries had an imperialist past and their work done by kings.

How does People China inherit some documents kings made, it doesnt even make legal sense. I thought Communist didnt want anything to do with Imperalists and their games?

Those countries without an imperialist past have long ago disappeared into history. And that includes Tibet.

That's only if the those people who are in those countries wish to be so. Tibetians dont seem to agree, they are not ready to make their country disappear.

Sir,

I will have to disgree sternely.