Thread: Tibet protest in a perspective.

Originally Posted by tphuang

when TAM happened, there was plenty of evidence, first account stories that indicated what happened. Right now, majority of the evidence and first account stories of both westerners and Chinese have just reinforced the fact that Chinese have been the victims of hate crime. The media is dying for a picture or an interview that can permanently incriminate China. Where is it?

TAM is Tienanmen?

I would be pleased if you could indicate how the Western media was wrong!!

Hate crime?

I love the politeness in terminology that disarms all!

Typical Communist Chinese.

Pregnant = happiness inside you (Pearl S Buck) I use this phrase and love it. I have learnt a lot from you all!

two things, I didn't complain about Blackwater. Secondly, blackwater is far better equipped and trained for this than some police department in rural China.

Hardly an excuse.

Who has prevented them from training?

The West?

alright, let's go through this again.

How many Han people do you think got to Tibet? 1 million? less?
How many Han people do you think went to Siberia?
How many Han people do you think moved to Xinjiang?
How many Han people do you think migrated to Burma?
How many to Singapore/Malaysia?
How many to Thailand and Vietnam?
How many to Western world?
There are a lot of Han migration going on. If Han population want to go to Tibet to check out scenery, to seek for better lives, to capitalize on the gov't subsidies, to capitalize on the growing natural resource industry, why shouldn't they?

Why are you leaving out my city?

There are enough of them and we are PROUD of them and their contribution. But for them, I would have not preferred Chinese food to India. In fact. I am looking forward to the Fried Rice made for my dinner, even if it is not the real McCoy!

I admire the Hans and I wish I were one too!

I would be richer and I would have contributed to the world!!

I have nothing against the Hans. Like Abu Ben Adhem said - Let their tribe increase!

And if you have this great group of Han people moving in, why can't they bring along their own culture and life style? Why can't ordinary Tibetans be appealed by that rather than the 1950s feudal system.

They must have their culture and lifestyle.

No one is denying them that.

They however must NOT impose it on others!!!

If some people feel the Dalai Lama is God, so be it.

Is the West in the WoT stating that Allah or Mohammed are imposters?

Even though they are not, the Moslems feel they are saying so!!

The Chinese Communist protest shrilly about anything and everything as interference in China's internal affairs!

What right have they to interfere in others' internal affairs when they host the Dalai Lama?

They have chastised Bush and the German Chancellor and now they are after Gordon Brown.

Is there any reason as to why these leaders should kowtow to the Chinese whims and fancies?

Indeed, if the Dalai Lama is a criminal as per the Chinese, do post an Interpol red alert and have him arrested. I am sure the wimpish Indian govt will bend overboard to appease the Chinese.

But if China does not do so, and they actually have no case, then China should lump and shut up!

China's holier than thou attitude does rankle!

To all overseas Chinese (who are so incensed),

Would you accept your culture and heritage to be engineered by your govt where you live?

If you feel your govt is entitled do so so, then the Tibetans are WRONG!!

Defiant China rejects dialogue, vows to smash Tibetan protests

AFP: Defiant China rejects dialogue, vows to smash Tibetan protests

And they will.

No one is watching!!

Originally Posted by glyn

Why should the Tibetans not be allowed to decide for themselves? It is their country. Why should the Han be allowed to swamp the Tibetan population? What rights have they to do so?

Any answer to this?

He is an independent source.

Originally Posted by glyn

Why should the Tibetans not be allowed to decide for themselves? It is their country. Why should the Han be allowed to swamp the Tibetan population? What rights have they to do so?

The analogy is Wales and Great Britain.

It is way too late in the game to argue about Tibetan Independence against the Chinese. Even the Dali Lama acknowledges as such. Beijing is dragging Tibet kicking and screaming (key words here kicking and screaming) into the 21st Century. There is no room in modern China and indeed the modern world for an 18th Century Tibet and that is exactly what Tibetan culture is - 18th Century Tibet.

Originally Posted by Ray

You expect picture of mass execution coming out of China?

Sir, if there are mass executions, I would be very surprised if the CCP does not broadcast them. They have in the past, most recently Xinjiang criminal gangs (real criminal gangs as in drugs, extortion, the real bad stuff).

Originally Posted by Ray

Self defence?

Then why complain about the US Private Security chaps shooting in Iraq? That too could be self defence, what ho?

I really don't know the situation, Sir. There are rumours, and I do stress rumours, that these were street cops caught off guard and trying to protect innocent bystanders, read Han-Chinese bystanders.

Originally Posted by Ray

The Tibetan protest is not about Han vs Tibetan that concerns. What concerns is Tibetan vs the Communist policies.

Sir,

The more that is coming out, the more I feel that this is the Young versus the Old debate. You will notice, Sir, that the rioters this time has rejected the Dali Lama's call. The riots, as opposed to the protests, were planned and there is no way the Dali Lama would ever give his blessings to riots.

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

The analogy is Wales and Great Britain.

It is way too late in the game to argue about Tibetan Independence against the Chinese. Even the Dali Lama acknowledges as such. Beijing is dragging Tibet kicking and screaming (key words here kicking and screaming) into the 21st Century. There is no room in modern China and indeed the modern world for an 18th Century Tibet and that is exactly what Tibetan culture is - 18th Century Tibet.

I think you underestimate the liberties allowed in Britain.

Every damned dissident finds shelter there and like it or not, even my friends out there feel that the freedom that one enjoys in Britain is unparalleled!

In Britain, they find it absolutely fine with middle age thoughts too!

Imagine a witness in burkha demanding a woman judge and getting it too!

We may criticise the West and Britain too. But, you can't beat them for equal opportunities!! In fct, they go overboard and that is a damned shame!

Criticise any country, but one can't touch Britain for being sensitive to its minorities sensibilities.

Canada cones a close second. I will agree to that!

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Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

Sir, if there are mass executions, I would be very surprised if the CCP does not broadcast them. They have in the past, most recently Xinjiang criminal gangs (real criminal gangs as in drugs, extortion, the real bad stuff).

I'm not a child,

Drugs and politics are two different things.

I also understand your loyalty to your race.

I really don't know the situation, Sir. There are rumours, and I do stress rumours, that these were street cops caught off guard and trying to protect innocent bystanders, read Han-Chinese bystanders.

To be off guard in a totalitarian society where everything is watched is indeed stupid.

No excuse is acceptable there.

If the USSR is reprehensible and even Putin now, what makes China so loveable?

Their market?

Double standard at best!

Money is God?

any answer to Gylnn's points?

True that the young Tibetan are fed up with the Dalai Lama's pacifist approach.

They want action!!

In no way do I think that they are right.

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

The analogy is Wales and Great Britain.

Good point. Don't forget Scotland or Cornwall either. They all want more say in their historic territory. The press is not good in its reportage as they claim everyone is demanding independence, and this is by no means the case. The press always manages to find those who do, whilst studiously avoiding those who don't. (Oh, what a surprise!)

It is way too late in the game to argue about Tibetan Independence against the Chinese. Even the Dali Lama acknowledges as such. Beijing is dragging Tibet kicking and screaming (key words here kicking and screaming) into the 21st Century. There is no room in modern China and indeed the modern world for an 18th Century Tibet and that is exactly what Tibetan culture is - 18th Century Tibet.

I also think it unlikely that Tibet will ever be fully independent, but the Tibetan people must have a genuine input into the way their country is run. Having Tibetans who are communists pretending to do so is a travesty of democracy, as they are so obviously puppets carrying out the wishes of their Beijing masters.

I still feel that Great Britain cannot be compared with Tibet and China.

It is like chalk and cheese!