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    2. What changes are being made in leadership training and/or personnel management to match the changes taking place in the technocratic realm?


    The fact that they have to switch to civilian institution to draw young offices (as the article pointed out) clearly shows that the old method is not working out. And like anything else in China, any rapid expansions will lead to quality issues.

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    PLA Officer Distribution of Birthplace, by Province
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    Quote Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
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    3. Are the changes brought about by increased affluence also reflected in the enlisted ranks? To what extent in each of the services? How has leadership coped with it?
    On this issue, very little has changed. Though now technically, you can go through your military career as a non-commissioned member, most don't. There is not enough prestige in being a Senior NCM and in China, old dinosaurs don't take orders from young geeks.
    OOE,

    I didn't quite understand this: Do you mean that there is a "get commissioned or get out" trend? Bear with me, I don't know the initial history and traditions of the PLA, so I don't know the norm or the change from the norm. On a general note: Chinese factories have senior foremen and junior executives, senior technicians and junior engineers etc, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xinhui View Post
    indoctrination, never too young to start
    A Lei Feng Protege doesn't think that as indoctrination, does he?

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    yeah, so they don't grow up eating KFC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cactus View Post
    Do you mean that there is a "get commissioned or get out" trend?
    No, there's a "I could not be bothered to stay" attitude within the NCM which is why you have a Captain running a kitchen.

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    Bear with me, I don't know the initial history and traditions of the PLA, so I don't know the norm or the change from the norm.
    It is in a flux of change. We're seeing professional officers for the 1st time since Lin Bao. The PLA Officer Corps want extremely to disassociate itself from the internal politics of the CCP but in the end, the PLA remains the vanguard of China's stability. It was they who wrestled control away from the radical Red Guards and the students at Tianamen.

    It is a somewhat complex history and even the PLA was not immune to a lot of China's convulsions. There was a time when rank was abolished and there was no such thing as "officers" (except there were, 4 pockets vs 2).

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    On a general note: Chinese factories have senior foremen and junior executives, senior technicians and junior engineers etc, right?
    They don't cross each other's path.
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    Li Cheng, friend of DOR, is working on a new article, keep your eyes open.



    China’s New Military Elite

    Li Cheng is a senior fellow at the John L. Thornton China Center of the Brookings Institution and William R. Kenan Professor of Government at Hamilton College. Scott W Harold is a research analyst at the John L. Thornton China Center of the Brookings Institution and an adjunct assistant professor in the School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xinhui View Post
    yeah, so they don't grow up eating KFC.
    xinhui,

    That's a great photo!! My wife also owns her own business, and has hired several college grads. that grew up in China, and they say that KFC in China is a delicacy!!
    Several of my wives employees have stated that a KFC in China is expensive, and only for the rich?
    If anyone can help, or tell me the real truth, I'll really be grateful!

    Thanks!!

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    bella,

    Several of my wives employees have stated that a KFC in China is expensive, and only for the rich?
    If anyone can help, or tell me the real truth, I'll really be grateful!
    it's relatively expensive, considering the amount of money an average chinese makes. however, if you're actually interested in KFC, you most likely can easily afford it. don't need to be rich, just middle-class.
    The human mind cannot grasp the causes of phenomena in the aggregate. But the need to find these causes is inherent in man’s soul. And the human intellect, without investigating the multiplicity and complexity of the conditions of phenomena, any one of which taken separately may seem to be the cause, snatches at the first, the most intelligible approximation to a cause, and says: “This is the cause!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by xinhui View Post
    yeah, so they don't grow up eating KFC.
    That doesn't look staged at all.

    Or is it?

    :P

    I should have sampled some fast food in China when I was there. There was a lady in our group who has a tradition of eating at the local MacDonald's of every single country she visits.
    "Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.

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    I should have sampled some fast food in China when I was there. There was a lady in our group who has a tradition of eating at the local MacDonald's of every single country she visits.
    it was weird stuff. i forget if they had this in china, but mickey D's had "rice cake hamburgers" wherein the buns of the hamburger were made out of a sweet glutinous rice thing.

    and in a very popular move in taiwan, KFC advertises not just the colonel's chicken but also frozen egg tarts in the summer.
    The human mind cannot grasp the causes of phenomena in the aggregate. But the need to find these causes is inherent in man’s soul. And the human intellect, without investigating the multiplicity and complexity of the conditions of phenomena, any one of which taken separately may seem to be the cause, snatches at the first, the most intelligible approximation to a cause, and says: “This is the cause!"

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    and chicken rice bowl too, love Taiwan KFC

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    Engineer commissar, LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by xinhui View Post
    Engineer commissar, LOL
    Any reason you find it funny or incredulous? IIRC a Technology Review article around 2004/2005 carried an article on engineers and (physical) scientists in different societies. Amongst it findings was that nearly all the senior politburo members in PRC came from engineering, physical sciences or military backgrounds. It was not a trend isolated to China, but also many Asian countries. In fact, in overall studies it is the Western and Western-influenced nations that are the statistical anomalies in how active their engineers and scientists are in policymaking. Now I would be more surprised if the commissars' background was in Corporate Law, Economics or Business Administration, as is the case with many Western political leaders.

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