Thread: Sino Indonesia military relations

in another word, soft power.

RI to purchase trainer, attack aircraft from Russia, China
RI to purchase trainer, attack aircraft from Russia, China | The Jakarta Post

The Jakarta Post , Jakarta | Fri, 11/13/2009 8:58 AM | National

Indonesia will purchase new trainer/light attack aircraft from Russia and China as part of an effort to revitalize its primary defense system, says newly sworn-in Air Force chief of staff Vice Marshal Imam Safaat.

He said the new jets, consisting the Yak-130 from Russia and the FTC-2000 Mountain Eagle from China, would replace the squadrons of British Hawk Mk-53 jets and American OV-10 Bronco.

The Air Force has 20 Hawk Mk-53, and eight turboprop-driven OV-10 Bronco aircraft that are around 30 years old.

“We plan to replace them in the next couple of years. We have done feasibility studies for the purchases, and will propose them to the government soon,” Imam said after the handover ceremony at Halim Perdanakusumah Air Force Base in East Jakarta. Imam replaced Marshal Subandrio.

It would be the first time Indonesia purchases warplanes from China and the second from Russia after the United States embargoed the supply of spare parts for its F-5E Tiger II and F-16 Fighting Falcon jet fighters and C-130 Hercules transport planes in 1999 due to human rights abuses mainly East Timor.

The Indonesian Military (TNI) spokesman, Rear Marshal Sagom Tamboen said the reshuffle in the Air Force leadership was conducted to improve its professionalism through the regeneration of leaders.

Sagom added the new Air Force chief was assigned to boost the country’s air defense system by increasing the quality of aircraft and equipment.

“It is our mission to reduce accidents during training and operational work conducted by Air Force personnel to zero,” he said.

Iman said the military aircraft had to be replaced soon because the Air Force had used the existing planes for more than 30 years.

Imam said further that the Indonesian Military had also planned to replace the old F-5E Tiger II jets.
“We expect to replace them by 2013,” he told The Jakarta Post.

Imam declined to mention the prices of the new aircraft, saying he had not yet discussed it with the government.

“They are expensive,” he said, adding the aircraft would be purchased using foreign aid.

Indonesia bought three Sukhoi fighter jets in February this year to strengthen aerial defense following a series of deadly accidents caused by outdated military aircraft.

The country now has seven Sukhoi-type fighters, all of which were purchased from Russia through a credit scheme. Three more are expected later this year.

Indonesia purchased the seven fighter jets from Russia through the seven-year credit scheme at a total price of US$335 million, but does not have to start making payments for five years.

TNI chief Gen. Djoko Santoso said the Air Force would focus on increasing the operational quality of its basic equipment and maintenance.

“That includes the improvement of the Air Force’s radar systems and air control power,” he said.

Sagom said the Air Force would also focus on improving personnel welfare, despite its limited budget, in addition to increasing safety standards for its primary weaponry defense system.

Sagom added that 70 percent of the Air Force’s budget was geared toward the welfare of personnel. The other 30 percent was for the maintenance of equipment and spare parts.

He said the Air Force budget was expected to increase to between Rp 5 trillion ($531.6 million) and Rp 7 trillion next year, up from Rp 4 trillion this year. (nia)

Indonesia to equip navy with Chinese-made missiles
16:40, December 22, 2009

Indonesia is going to equip its own navy's warships with missiles made in China so as to upgrade combat capabilities, Agus Suhartono, Indonesian Navy Chief of Staff Admiral said Monday.



"We will continue to procure C-802 missiles from China after we test the weapon with good results,” he said adding that the Indonesian Navy was also negotiating with China to obtain C-705 missiles that were more slender in shape.


C-705


"Both types of missile will be added to the armament of the navy’s fast patrol boats and Van Speijk warships," Agus said.

"We are still unable to make missiles domestically. But fortunately, state shipbuilding firm PT PAL already has the technology to integrate weapon systems imported from abroad with those already in place on our warships," he said.


C-705


Indonesian navy will continue making it a priority to procure weaponry systems, despite the limited military budget.

"Our main priority now is security in sea border areas and the outer islands of Indonesia," Agus said. "Crimes at Sea are not the only problems we have in the western waters. In these areas we also have border disputes with India, Vietnam, Thailand, Singapore and Malaysia."

By People's Daily Online
Indonesia to equip navy with Chinese-made missiles - People's Daily Online

C-705

First export customer I see. I wonder if the Indonesians will want to purchase the 054A FFG in the future?

there seems to be some internal conflict within the Indon services then. They've reiterated to us only very recently that they need to focus on a greenwater capability, and that in real terms that they are looking at brown water for most of their operational requirements (over 17,000 islands in their territory)

Getting SLCM's won't impact on either Singapore or Malaysia as both have the capability to defeat these systems. Singapore certainly does.

Militarily the Indons are almost zero effective. They only have 4 main heavy fixed wing jet fighters and these are basically unarmed. The Vipers are almost zero utility due to poor maint issues.

at a platform level they cannot compete with the Thais either. So any conflict is highly unlikely (FPDA issues for Singapore and Malaysia, plus Indonesia now has a very good relationship with australia which they don't want to jeopardise)

in short, they don't have the capacity to project or persist in a fight with their immediate neighbours - and the chinese will certainly be twitchy about them arguing with the Vietnamese. (who also have territorial disputes with China but that hasn't stopped military sales either)

Thanks gf and according to the Indonesian navy, the cost of the C-802 is less than half of the French MM40 Exocet Block II. In addition, I am sure there is a "friend ship" discount some where after the list price.



RI warships to be equipped with Chinese-made missiles

ANTARA News: RI warships to be equipped with Chinese-made missiles

Monday, December 21, 2009 18:45 WIB | National | | Viewed 618 time(s)
Jakarta (ANTARA News) - The Indonesian Navy`s warships will be equipped with missiles made in China, Navy Chief of Staff Admiral Agus Suhartono said here on Monday.

"We will continue to procure C-802 missiles from China after we tested the weapon with good results,` he said adding that the Indonesian Navy was also negotiating with China to obtain C-705 missiles that were more slender in shape.

"Both types of missile will be added to the armament of of the navy`s fast patrol boats and Van Speijk warships," Agus said.

He said the navy would increase the combat capabilities of its Van Speijk and fast patrol boats by integrating their armament systems with weaponry from China.

"We are still unable to make missiles domestically. But fortunately, state shipbuilding firm PT PAL already has the technology to integrate weapon systems imported from abroad with those already in place on our warships," he said.

The navy chief admitted with limited budget for his department, his officials would continue making a priority scale on the procurement of weaponry system.

"Our main priority now is security in sea border areas and the outer islands of Indonesia," he said adding that the navy would also replace some 27 of its warships with newer types and better combat capabilities.

Agus Suhartono had previously said Indonesia`s western waters were prone to various maritime crimes such as smuggling, human trafficking and poaching.

"The sea crimes are not the only problems we have in the western waters. In these areas we also have border problems with India, Vietnam, Thailand, Singapore and Malaysia," the navy chief said.

He said that in order to maintain security in the area, the navy conducted routine patrols in the Indonesian western waters. It had maintained a joint patrols with its counterparts from India, Thailand, Singapore and Malaysia.

As a result, the maritime crime rate in the western waters had dropped , particularly in the Malacca Strait. (*)

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at a platform level they cannot compete with the Thais either.

Interesting timing. Recently, the four Royal Thai navy's Jianghui III class FFG also upgraded with C-802 SSM .

Originally Posted by xinhui

Interesting timing. Recently, the four Royal Thai navy's Jianghui III class FFG also upgraded with C-802 SSM .

I can't see the chinese letting Indonesia get into a punch up with any of their neighbours. Not that they can phyiscally stop them, but the sale of arms to indonesia, thailand (who has also done maint on some PLAN vessels) and Vietnam means that they'll be more interested in seeing sales than seeing those sales be converted to use.

at a maritime level Thailand can project, whereas Indonesia can't
at a maritime level the singaporean subs are better than any of their asian neighbours - I'd argue that their fitout and training makes them superior to even the malay scorpenes
at a sensor level the singaporeans know what the indon military are doing probably before yudhiyono does. australia certainly can, and there is more than allegorical evidence that we can track indonesian assets rotating off airstrips via JORN etc. so they cannot blink without not only australian sig systems tracking them, but that the sings can also see what they're doing
at a combat aviation level the singaporeans can clean them up at any stage

I cannot but help think that these decisions smack of bad planning and a lack of focus on the real issues in their territories. they need logistics improvements, they need transport improvements, they need fast small helo capable warships, and they need to have their radar systems pointing in the right directions.

cruise missile capability is not going to help them look after 17,000 islands and deal with non state players (who are often sanctioned by corrupt officials) such as their pirate enclaves.

Originally Posted by Skywatcher

First export customer I see. I wonder if the Indonesians will want to purchase the 054A FFG in the future?

They haven't been able to buy weapons for their Flankers for the last 5 years. Unless its gifted they can't afford to buy too much. They're in bits and pieces mode, not considered and structured acquisition mode.

Indonesian latest C-705 SSM armed boat, KCR-641 Сlurit. Also with Norinco's 30mm autocanon