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Old 10-29-2005, 15:18 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Trust me no 9th grader would ask that question cause he wanted to know. He was just trying to be a smart ass.
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Old 10-29-2005, 18:15 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Eric,

How do you know?

It all depends on individuals and their psyche.
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Old 10-29-2005, 18:56 PM   #33 (permalink)
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The kid should have known better than to ask something as sensitive as that.
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Old 10-29-2005, 19:33 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Ok. Everyone who NEVER made a social mistake while in high school, raise their hand.
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Old 10-29-2005, 19:45 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Asking disrespectful questions is the best way to get your ass kicked, or suspended.
Not too long ago a soldier asked Rumsfeld some pointed questions about armor for the troops. many would say it was a disrespectful question, Rumsfeld surely did. Yes, the soldier was prodded by a reporter, but it was the soldier who had the courage to ask. The result was that all the soldiers ended up with better armor on a faster time frame than if the question remained unasked. Sometimes the questions HAVE to be asked or important issues get swept under the rug, and if someone thinks it is rude, then tough butter cookies. The quest for truth is never easy, and quite often toes have to be stepped on before the truth comes out.
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Old 10-29-2005, 20:46 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Free speech isn't the issue. Being appropriate is. The kid is only banned from future assemblies, which doesn't affect anything, except saving the school from potential future embarassment and the potential to continue to draw special guest speakers.

This is crying over spilled milk.
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Old 10-29-2005, 21:03 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Sannes' question was legitimate as long as it was not a crude attempt to gain humor from the situation. However, I think that Sannes' could have asked Mr. Durant the question after the presentation. This approach would have answered Sannes' question and saved Mr. Durant the embarrassment the question probably caused.

I think Sannes did not analyze the situation correctly. He should have realized that few men, Mr. Durant included, will ever admit to being raped. Mr. Durant also said there were details he didn't want to share. Sannes should have acted intelligently and realized the issue of rape was probably one of these details.

I disagree with the harshness of the school policy, but some action needed to be taken.

I do not think that penalizing Sannes is a grand interference with the Constitution. After all, Sannes was asking a question of little political, cultural, or strategic importance. Would the world really be better if it knew Mr. Durant had been raped? I think not. Therefore, it is easy to interpret Sannes' question as rude.
I agree that Sannes' question was, in fact, somewhat rude, but come on! Did this say an ADULT asked the question? No, it said a kid in the 9th grade asked it. At that age, most kids don't even think about manners. At least he asked it in seriousness; he asked it genuinely wanting to know whether or not Mr. Durant had been raped.

Again, I am forced to agree with you; the world would not be bettered in knowing whether or not he had been raped, but they're not in elementary school. I'm assuming Sannes was between the ages of 13 and 15 (typical ages for someone in that grade). It's only going to be a few years before he's out in the world. That's right, the WORLD, not the sugar-coated paradise some people try to put children in. In asking if Durant had been raped, I think Sannes was trying to become enlightened to the cruelties of life.

No man would want to confess to being raped, I agree, but would one want to warn future generations of such things? Would a man really want to keep teenagers in the dark about real life? Being a soldier, I would think Durant would be willing to tell a group of people, many of whom have not seen what war is like, what goes on in such a time.
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Old 10-29-2005, 21:06 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Free speech isn't the issue. Being appropriate is. The kid is only banned from future assemblies, which doesn't affect anything, except saving the school from potential future embarassment and the potential to continue to draw special guest speakers.

This is crying over spilled milk.
Civil rights isn't the issue. Being appropriate is. Blacks are only banned from the FRONT of the bus, which doesn't affect anything, except saving whites the 'better' seats on a bus, giving bus companies the potential to continue to draw customers.

This is crying over spilled milk.


Am I the only one that sees the similarity?
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Old 10-29-2005, 21:14 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Trust me no 9th grader would ask that question cause he wanted to know. He was just trying to be a smart ass.
Excuse me?! Who do YOU think you are?! Are you the all-knowing God? Or are you just some stooge trying to stereotype kids? John Roberts is younger than the other justices on the Supreme Court, is he not? Yet he's not branded as a complete moron because of that. Just because Sannes is young, you automatically assume that he's one of the punks. I don't think you're very open to the possibility that a 9th grader can want to learn something.

O, Ray and Bonehead, I tip my hat to you. I love the way you guys have common sense...
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Old 10-29-2005, 21:28 PM   #40 (permalink)
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what intelligence does a ninth grader have?
Quite a lot. I would know; and don't worry, you can trust me on that. I'm not like Eric the Idiot.

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For Christ's Sake, the moron kid was trying to be a smart-allec.
You were there, were you? You saw the grin on his face, heard the tone of his voice, and witnessed this whole event? If I tell a friend over the internet that I hate them, this can be interpretted in two ways:

1. I actually hate them.
2. I was being sarcastic.

You people, those of you that think you know everything because you're an adult, really make your fellow men and women look stupid. You jump to conclusions, and why? Because you just don't want to accept the fact that a kid could be interested in intellectual persuits. You want to ASSUME that, because of Sannes' age, he wanted to make a joke of this man.

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You actually stuck up for him? He deserved a bigger punishment.
That's what I said about Rosa Parks, but nobody listened...As if blacks are ACTUALLY equal to whites! Ha! <<<THAT, Mr. Einstein, was sarcasm.

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This guy who inspired the movie Black Hawk Down, took time out of his own book to speak to these brats, and one stupid kid wants to steal the show by asking a question to get a few laughs? Who was goign to laugh? only his little group of friends that everyone probably considers "outsiders".
Wow, you can read minds! I mean, you MUST be able to, seeing as how you're so sure the kid who asked the question was one of the attention-seeking morons that so fill today's world. Hey, I can read minds too. Let me try it on you...Hmm...I see a closed door. I think that means you're not opened to new things. Like children being interested in things other than that norm, for instance.
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Old 10-29-2005, 21:34 PM   #41 (permalink)
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1) I don't care whether the kid was smart-alec or not.
2) Free speech is not spouting everything which comes to mind. It is concious self-regulation. I dislike justifying hurtful statements as free speech.
Practice free-speech without hurting others.
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Right there witcha, Sniper. He wanted everybody to snicker and think he was oh-so-shocking. Smart-ass little bastard, and his daddy for defending him gets my contempt, too.

That's not 'free speech', that's ungodly RUDE, and to a veteran and a former POW, too.



Thank you for standing up for the right thing.
Whoever heard of somebody disliking justifying hurtful statements as free speech? Pfft. Not I. What about YOU, Monk?

But then again, I don't really think that resorting to such barbaric terms as Bluesman did is hurtful. Do you?
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Civil rights isn't the issue. Being appropriate is. Blacks are only banned from the FRONT of the bus, which doesn't affect anything, except saving whites the 'better' seats on a bus, giving bus companies the potential to continue to draw customers.

This is crying over spilled milk.


Am I the only one that sees the similarity?
Yes, you probably are the only one. But, if you like to make false analogies, be my guest.

However, I am curious what leap of logic you make to compare a system of second class citizenship imposed upon an entire race to the actions of a single kid asking a very personal question in a very public forum after being told that he wasn't going to go into anymore details.
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Old 10-29-2005, 22:04 PM   #43 (permalink)
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However, I am curious what leap of logic you make to compare a system of second class citizenship imposed upon an entire race to the actions of a single kid asking a very personal question in a very public forum after being told that he wasn't going to go into anymore details.
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A black person on a bus refused to give her seat to a white person.
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The 'offender' is barred from boarding buses.

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A kid asked a question that was somehow classified as 'inappropriate'.
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The 'offender' is barred from attending assemblies.

Do you see it now? And don't think I mean that in a snappy way; I'm just trying to get you to see what I mean.
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Old 10-29-2005, 22:21 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Action:
A black person on a bus refused to give her seat to a white person.
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The 'offender' is barred from boarding buses.

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A kid asked a question that was somehow classified as 'inappropriate'.
Result:
The 'offender' is barred from attending assemblies.

Do you see it now? And don't think I mean that in a snappy way; I'm just trying to get you to see what I mean.
Sorry, that is too simplistic and narrowly defined to be of any use. What Rosa Parks did led to the destruction of the Jim Crow laws that held an entire race back for nearly a century after having been explicitly granted "equal rights" under the United States Constituation. What has this immature kid offered to the world?
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Ok. Everyone who NEVER made a social mistake while in high school, raise their hand.
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