korppi76

As not from US I was wondering that is it really legal to carry weapons with you everywhere? (exept of course in to airplanes, or place like that)
I mean does someplaces not allow weapons in, like offices or shops?
Sorry my bad enunciation.
In Finland you are not allowed carry weapons, exept for hunting etc. But usually no handguns with you.

Anon

If you live in a state in the US that has legalized carry, yes, you can carry it most places in that state, or any other state that your state has negotiated a reciprocity treaty with.

The exceptions are normally schools, airports, establishments that serve alcohol, and gov't buildings.

lemontree

Very sad to hear of young lives lost in that seneless slaughter.
One wonders... Why??

__________________

Cheers!...on the rocks!!

dalem

Well, to put it in a very callous light, the kid was raised in an extremely Effed Up home - father suicided, mother brain damaged - found Neo-Nazism, and felt angry.

Something like this was likely to happen.

-dale

Veni Vidi Vici

Yes. There are very few states(I think only one or two) where you can't own and carry a gun(but everyone does anyway). Some states are more restrictive then others but in general your good to go.

__________________
"Our citizenship in the United States is our national character. Our citizenship in any particular state is only our local distinction. By the latter we are known at home, by the former to the world. Our great title is AMERICANS…" -- Thomas Paine

Veni Vidi Vici

I have said it before and I will say it again... I feel safer working in a Georgia city where everyone carrys a gun, then say.... a califorina city where only criminals have guns.

Libs contunualy beat the drum to the tune of "Help the cops, ban guns"... this is simply not the case. I am a cop and I fully support our 2end amendment and you are hard pressed to find any cop who is against free ownership of guns.

To the anti gun nuts-

When you have someone attacking you who do you call? A= the police
Why do you call us? A= We have guns
Why don't you increase your odds of surviving and own a gun to defend yourself? A= ummm................

dalem

VVV-

Another cop I met online backs your statement up. He also said he felt much more relaxed when traffic-stopping a registered CCW holder becuase essentially zero crimes are committed by them. Us. Whichever.

-dale

highsea

The murderer posted this exchange on a nazi forum. This is the google cache of the thread. (The forum is now shut down)



Nationalist Forums (http://www.nazi.org/current/forum/YaBB.cgi) Nationalism >> Native American Nationalists >> Native American Nationalists? (Message started by: Todesengel on Mar 19th, 2004, 12:09am)



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Title: Native American Nationalists?
Post by Todesengel on Mar 19th, 2004, 12:09am
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hello all.
My name is Jeff Weise, a Native American from the Red Lake "Indian" reservation in Minnesota. I'm interested in joining the group, as I support your ideals and even though I am young, I still want to join. What is the age requirement (if any)?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Title: Re: Native American Nationalists?
Post by BlueEyedDevil on Mar 19th, 2004, 12:29am
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

on 03/19/04 at 00:09:08, Todesengel wrote:Hello all.
My name is Jeff Weise, a Native American from the Red Lake "Indian" reservation in Minnesota. I'm interested in joining the group, as I support your ideals and even though I am young, I still want to join. What is the age requirement (if any)?



There is none that I am aware of; we welcome all ages and all nationalities, regardless of your back-ground. Our main goal here is to educate and inform--in hopes of creating a better world for all of us. I welcome you, Jeff! What brings you to the forum?


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Title: Re: Native American Nationalists?
Post by Todesengel on Mar 19th, 2004, 1:15am
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Thank you.
What brings me to the forum? Well, I stumbled across the site in my study of the Third Reich as well as Nazism, amongst other things. I guess I've always carried a natural admiration for Hitler and his ideals, and his courage to take on larger nations. I also have a natural dis-like for communism.

When I was growing up, I was taught (like others) that Nazi's were (are) evil and that Hitler was a very evil man ect... Of course, not for a second did I believe this. Upon reading up on his actions, the ideals and issues the German Third Reich adressed, I began to see how much of a lie had been painted about them. They truly were doing it for the better.

It kind of angers me how people pass pre-judgement on someone if they even so much as say something like "I support what Hitler did," without even hearing what you have to say. This goes double if you're ethnic. I also hear things like, "oh he had syphilis, he was crazy and thats why he did what he did." Or, "he molested his neice," it's easy to see that even today people are trying to destroy the image of a man who deserves great respect...

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Title: Re: Native American Nationalists?
Post by BlueEyedDevil on Mar 20th, 2004, 12:39am
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I respect your open-mindedness; not everyone is so brave to think the way you do. I have to admit...it took me a long time to drop the taboos' enough to view it all with a clear mind. It's kind of funny, how you think you can know all there is to know about something, then come to find out you don't really know as much as you thought you did. I'm glad I took the time to research the topic a little further, my life has never been the same way since. In a way, you could say the LNSG has given me new hope and new purpose; sheding light on things in my life that were unclear to me before; now can be viewed with the utmost perfection. I would like to see all Nationalists work together towards a common goal; there is much we can learn from one another.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Title: Re: Native American Nationalists?
Post by freenation on Mar 25th, 2004, 5:01pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
There is a place for you, I hope you stick with us.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Title: Re: Native American Nationalists?
Post by Todesengel on Mar 25th, 2004, 8:27pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Once I commit myself to something, I stay until the end...

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Title: Re: Native American Nationalists?
Post by binarymike on Apr 8th, 2004, 2:43pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
We welcome you, brother. It will take many combined minds for us to unite, and forge something out of nothing!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Title: Re: Native American Nationalists?
Post by Ravensburg on Apr 14th, 2004, 2:34pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
BLUT & EHRE!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Title: Re: Native American Nationalists?
Post by Todesengel on Apr 19th, 2004, 11:41pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hmn, after a recent discussion with some misinformed people I had to ask you guys, why are people so close minded?

By the way, I'm being blamed for a threat on the school I attend because someone said they were going to shoot up the school on 4/20, Hitlers birthday, and just because I claim being a National Socialist, guess whom they've pinned?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Title: Re: Native American Nationalists?
Post by atem on May 2nd, 2004, 11:12am
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is a time in which nationalists are demonized. Much as "terrorist" indicates "someone who disagrees with our global empire," so does "nationalist," but the complexity of separating that term from "patriot" will confuse the general population, so they use simple words like hate, Hitler, bigot, ant-semite, etc.



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Title: Re: Native American Nationalists?
Post by Todesengel on May 26th, 2004, 2:27am
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You encounter a lot of hostility when you claim to be a National Socialist, but because of my size and appearance people don’t give me as much trouble as they would if I looked weak. I already had a fist fight with a communist not to long ago over me being what I am (I also won), but it was worth it. I don’t try to hide what I am from anyone, if they’re going to start something over it then fine, I’m not backing down; Nor am I hiding. I try not to be aggressive in most situations, I’ll use force if I have to, but I’m not about to go out and pick a fight. I’m mostly defensive, I’ll defend myself if someone tries something but other than that I’m a peaceful person.

But the school threat passed and I was cleared as a suspect, I’m glad for that. I don’t much care for jail, I’ve never been there and I don’t plan on it.

Either way, I was wondering if there was a way to become a more active member, besides posting on this board I can’t really think of anything else to do. I could do some recruiting, but a lot of the people I socialize with are against Nazism whole-heartedly, I managed to sway a few opinions in the favor of the movement none the less, and there is also a few of my “friends” who only like Hitler because they think Nazi’s are “cool.” Which I agree with, don’t get me wrong, but they aren’t as serious about it as I am.

Any ideas?

I may young, but I’m willing to help.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Title: Re: Native American Nationalists?
Post by Somberlain on Jul 19th, 2004, 4:39am
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hello NativeNazi,

I find the idea of a Native American National Socialist rather interesting, as I have never heard of one before now. I have several questions for you. First off, what would a typical person on your reservation think of racial consciousness or racial nationalism? From what I read, it sounds like your ideas are greatly opposed, which sort of suprises me, as I thought that American Indians weren't as poisoned by political correctness as the rest of the US population. It also seemed to me that American Indians have a lot of racial pride and wouldn't let their race die.

I am also curious what the boundaries of (a) Native American NS state(s) would be like. Would there be a state for each tribe (if so, would they be situated on current reservations?), for each cultural/linguistic group, or would there be a single American Indian state?

Lastly, in what way(s) do you feel Jewish power has affected the lives of Native Americans in general? I look forward to reading answers to these questions. Thanks for your time.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Title: Re: Native American Nationalists?
Post by NativeNazi on Jul 19th, 2004, 11:33am
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Apparently a lot of people have never heard of a Native American National Socialist, which surprises me.

I think most people on this Reservation would respond well to the racial question if it was disguised.

For example, if I asked your average teenager on this reservation: “Are you proud to be Native?” The answer I would get is, “hell yeah dawg.”

Now for some reason, I would find myself asking “if you’re so proud to be Native, then why do you walk, talk, act, and dress like an African American?”

But I always refrain from doing so.

The only one’s who oppose my views are the teachers at the high school, and a large portion of the student body who think a Nazi is a Klansman, or a White Supremacist thug.

Most of the Natives I know have been poisoned by what they were taught in school. The basic “Nazi = Bad, Jew = Good. Defend Jew at all costs.” You get the idea, the public school system has done more harm then good, and as a result it has left many on this reservation misled and misinformed.

But you are right about us Natives having a lot of pride in our heritage. I own my share of “Native Pride” shirts and sweaters, and I see many more in school, yet they are still outnumbered by your basic Rap culture paraphernalia.

I haven’t given too much thought to the way our land would be divided or how it would work, so thanks for bringing it up.

What ways has the Jewish power affected us in General? Ever since the Jewish post-war propaganda has been taught in our school systems (on reservations), a lot have been brainwashed into thinking purity is wrong, at least that’s my take on it. I can’t help but notice how many pure blooded Natives there are left since…

Sorry if I didn’t answer some of the questions in the ways you had hoped, but I’m a little tired right now. I’d be happy to field anymore questions you may have for me though.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Title: Re: Native American Nationalists?
Post by Somberlain on Jul 19th, 2004, 11:56pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

on 07/19/04 at 11:33:05, NativeNazi wrote:Apparently a lot of people have never heard of a Native American National Socialist, which surprises me.


Do you have any info about other Native American National Socialists?


Quote:I think most people on this Reservation would respond well to the racial question if it was disguised.

For example, if I asked your average teenager on this reservation: “Are you proud to be Native?” The answer I would get is, “hell yeah dawg.”

Now for some reason, I would find myself asking “if you’re so proud to be Native, then why do you walk, talk, act, and dress like an African American?”

But I always refrain from doing so.



This reminds me of just a few weeks ago when I went to the nearest reservation with my brother to buy fireworks. One vendor there, who must have been in early 20's, had a tattoo on his arm that said Native Pride, with Northwest Coast style artwork representing a sun tattooed above it. Farther down on his arm, he had a low-rider tattoo. He was just one case of "riggers" that I saw there.


Quote:The only one’s who oppose my views are the teachers at the high school, and a large portion of the student body who think a Nazi is a Klansman, or a White Supremacist thug.



So do you have any friends who share your beliefs?


Quote:Most of the Natives I know have been poisoned by what they were taught in school. The basic “Nazi = Bad, Jew = Good. Defend Jew at all costs.” You get the idea, the public school system has done more harm then good, and as a result it has left many on this reservation misled and misinformed.



Do the teachers say things like, "The White men tried to wipe us out, and the Nazis tried to wipe out the Jews, so we have a lot in common and should defend them."?


Quote:But you are right about us Natives having a lot of pride in our heritage. I own my share of “Native Pride” shirts and sweaters, and I see many more in school, yet they are still outnumbered by your basic Rap culture paraphernalia.



Good to see that you and your people have pride in themselves. It's a shame though that they have been infected with rap culture, which seems to mess up any people it touches.


Quote:I haven’t given too much thought to the way our land would be divided or how it would work, so thanks for bringing it up.



You're welcome. I would be interested to know what you think about that issue once you have given it more thought.


Quote:What ways has the Jewish power affected us in General? Ever since the Jewish post-war propaganda has been taught in our school systems (on reservations), a lot have been brainwashed into thinking purity is wrong, at least that’s my take on it. I can’t help but notice how many pure blooded Natives there are left since…



Yes, I’ve noticed that many Natives I have seen are somewhat mixed. When you say that many Natives are brainwashed into thinking purity is wrong, does that mean that the teachers at your school encourage race-mixing?


Quote:Sorry if I didn’t answer some of the questions in the ways you had hoped, but I’m a little tired right now. I’d be happy to field anymore questions you may have for me though.



Don’t worry, you’ve answered my questions quite well.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Title: Re: Native American Nationalists?
Post by NativeNazi on Jul 20th, 2004, 4:17pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Anymore Native American NS's? Not right now, though I’m thinking of recruiting a few for the party once school starts up again.

About the wannabe's, I call them “n-iggers,” since technically that’s what they are. Native - Iggers, though I tend not to use the term so much in public for obvious reasons.

Right now I know about two people on the Rez who share my beliefs, but they don’t share them entirely.

The teachers at my school are all white (besides the Ojibwe language teacher) , yet the times I have brought up that Native Women and Black men, or White women and Native men shouldn’t be together to keep their blood pure, I’ve been called a racist. When I bring up the point that our tribe (the Ojibwe) is mixed a lot and is in need of more pure bloods, I get the same old argument which seems to be so common around here. “We need to mix all the races, to combine all the strengths…” ect ect. It gets old real quick when you hear the same argument over and over.

They (teachers) don’t openly say that racial purity is wrong, yet when you speak your mind on the subject you get “silenced” real quick by the teachers and likeminded school officials…


-end of post-

__________________
My baby called me up. She said- Why don't you ever take me out? Pick me up in your brand new car....You shake the short change from the old fruit jar...

Anon

Sick bastard.

lemontree

The FBI should trace out the remaining members of that forum (through their IP addresses), and prevent any more of such lunatic groups from interacting and giving vent to their ideas.

highsea

I imagine they are being checked out, but interacting and giving vent to ideas is constitutionally protected- it's not a crime.

What I found kind of interesting was the progression. First they make him feel welcome, then give him a little encouragement, ask him what brings him there...then they start making him feel important, agreeing with his opinions, then they start pumping him for information on his views, asking him about his friends, teachers, etc.

I got the impression that the ones doing most of the talking were kids. I think the ones being quiet are the ones that need the investigating...

ChrisF202

Its always the quiet one