Second U.S. Soldier hung in effigy - Page 3

Bluesman · 02-21-2005, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by troung

""When Syria's Baath regime feels its back up against the wall, it always resorts to "Hama Rules." Hama Rules is a term I coined after the Syrian Army leveled - and I mean leveled - a portion of its own city, Hama, to put down a rebellion by Sunni Muslim fundamentalists there in 1982."

Damned if you do damned if you don't ehh?

THIS is the type of regime we're dealing with in Syria. And the type that the Lebanese have been dealing with for over a decade. And STILL the Lebanese poured out into the streets to protest what is almost universally accepted as a Syrian hit on Hariri. Think about that: the thugs in Damscus killed 20,000 of their own people, and the Lebanese - who are comprehensively dominated and observed constantly by Syrain troops and spies - STILL had the guts to get out there and stick it to their Syrian overlords.

The Bush Doctrine is working. We're winning. The Lebanese believe in this President doing what he said, and supporting democracy throughout the Middle East. They trust him enough to stand off the Syrians from crushing dissent with armed force to go out in public in large numbers...because he intends to free them from their oppressors.

When The People believe in what we're doing enough to bet their own lives on us keeping faith with them...the dike is cracking, and Syrian despots are downstream.

Bluesman · 02-21-2005, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by barrowaj

Comparing Iraq and Syria to Nazi Germany or Imperialist Japan is absurd. Neither country has a strong enough economy to pull anything like that off.

And in 1991, if Saddam had been allowed to keep one quarter of all the world's proven oil reserves, what would you say THEN? If that war had not knocked down and impeded continued progress on the rather-more-developed-than-we-knew-until-then WMD programs, Saddam would've had nukes AND all that oil and money. Still impossible to be a playuh THEN?

No, if certain Democrats had their way, Iraq would've acheived Saddam's dream of dominance in the Middle East and by extension though petro-blackmail, European politics.

It's not absurd. It was the historical alternative that was narrowly averted, and no thanks to the left wingers around the world.

You guys never learn, do you?

ChrisF202 · 02-21-2005, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluesman

And in 1991, if Saddam had been allowed to keep one quarter of all the world's proven oil reserves, what would you say THEN? If that war had not knocked down and impeded continued progress on the rather-more-developed-than-we-knew-until-then WMD programs, Saddam would've had nukes AND all that oil and money. Still impossible to be a playuh THEN?

No, if certain Democrats had their way, Iraq would've acheived Saddam's dream of dominance in the Middle East and by extension though ptero-blackmail, European politics.

It's not absurd. It was the historical alternative that was narrowly averted, and no thanks to the left wingers around the world.

You guys never learn, do you?

They think UN resolutions would have made him stop .... lets face it, a bunch of men sitting around a table cannot stop anyone unless they have the force to back up whatever they say.

jon_j_rambo · 02-21-2005, 10:06 AM

The U.N. just had another dude resign for sexual misconduct, no surprise. The rest of the U.N. was steal money from Iraq along with France/Germany in the food for oil program. What a joke the U.N. Europe sits on their ass as usual, while the USA is TCB (Taking Care of Business & working overtime!)

Bluesman · 02-21-2005, 14:00 PM

Here's some more about what I was talking about, re: Syria/Lebanon.

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Protesters wore scarves of red and white _ the colors of Lebanon’s flag _ which have become the symbol of the opposition’s “independence uprising,” described as a peaceful campaign to dislodge the pro-Syrian government and force the Syrian army out of Lebanon.

Some protesters carried banners reading, “Independence,” and chanted, “The government of puppets must fall” and “Enough blood, leave us alone.”

The crowd was estimated in the tens of thousands, with many converging on downtown Beirut from all parts of the Lebanese capital.

“It is my civic duty as a Lebanese to take part in this uprising,” said Youssef Mukhtar, a 47-year-old engineer. “Enough bloodshed and disasters. It is the 21st century, and people should be able to govern themselves. The situation has become unbearable and we have to regain our country.”

Many held pictures of Hariri and sang patriotic songs. Some protesters held a copy of the Quran in one hand and the cross in another hand to signify Muslim-Christian national unity.

Thanks to George W. Bush, the Middle East’s days of tyranny are numbered. This is a process that will be impossible to stop.

dalem · 02-21-2005, 14:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluesman

Here's some more about what I was talking about, re: Syria/Lebanon.

Thanks to George W. Bush, the Middle East’s days of tyranny are numbered. This is a process that will be impossible to stop.

Hee hee! Ain't it grand? Can you imagine the slack-jawed consternation of the Appeasers of the world if Lebanon were to go Democratic? I can hear it now: "Well, uh, they were already on, um, their way to... uhh, long history of, umm... Oh crap."

-dale

Bluesman · 02-21-2005, 14:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dalem

Hee hee! Ain't it grand? Can you imagine the slack-jawed consternation of the Appeasers of the world if Lebanon were to go Democratic? I can hear it now: "Well, uh, they were already on, um, their way to... uhh, long history of, umm... Oh crap."

-dale

Okay, YEAH, SURE, they voted. But the turnout was MUCH lower than expected by the New York Times, and anyway, it's the same old story: "One man, one vote, one time!" You mark my words: they'll be back to strongmen in charge before you can say 'quagmire'.

dalem · 02-21-2005, 14:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluesman

Okay, YEAH, SURE, they voted. But the turnout was MUCH lower than expected by the New York Times, and anyway, it's the same old story: "One man, one vote, one time!" You mark my words: they'll be back to strongmen in charge before you can say 'quagmire'.

But what about VIET NAM?!?!?!?!?!?

-dale

Bluesman · 02-21-2005, 14:46 PM

Defeatism...yummy. Gimme some more o' THAT.

But fer Gawd's sake, don't even SUGGEST that Bush is winning his battles. Never happen...the guy's dumb as a bag of hammers. Oh, and immoral, too. I almost forgot that part.

dalem · 02-21-2005, 16:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluesman

Defeatism...yummy. Gimme some more o' THAT.

But fer Gawd's sake, don't even SUGGEST that Bush is winning his battles. Never happen...the guy's dumb as a bag of hammers. Oh, and immoral, too. I almost forgot that part.

And evil. And Cheney's puppet.

-dale

Bluesman · 02-21-2005, 19:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dalem

And evil. And Cheney's puppet.

-dale

DAMmit. I forgot those, too. I really need to start hanging out at Democratic Underground some more. My moonbattiness may be getting low.

**Julie** · 02-21-2005, 20:11 PM

And don't forget the favorite....Bush is ruining our economy.

Bluesman · 02-21-2005, 20:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Julie

And don't forget the favorite....Bush is ruining our economy.

Now, see? I just can't keep up anymore. Maybe if I was enrolled in a Ward Churchill-taught class, I'd be prepared to go outta my friggin' tree with some of the froth-flecked rants that them young'uns seem to know by rote.

I'll have to make do with the occasional BUSH LIED!!! PEOPLE DIED!!!

Not the same. Sigh.

Rahul · 02-21-2005, 20:44 PM

This sort of thing is despicable and uncalled for. Disagreeing with the war is one thing, hanging effigies of the nation's soldiers when these soldiers are out there risking their lives isn't at all appropriate.

barrowaj · 02-21-2005, 21:18 PM

Just the fact that people are able to do this is what is great about the US. I would frown at seeing this on my neighbor's house (and ask them to take it down, or get the neighborhood association to do so), but at least they aren't going to be locked up and shot for expressing their views.

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Rahul Contributor Join Date: 08-28-04 Location: Michigan, United States of America Posts: 377	This sort of thing is despicable and uncalled for. Disagreeing with the war is one thing, hanging effigies of the nation's soldiers when these soldiers are out there risking their lives isn't at all appropriate. __________________ Am out of town for a while and then have tons of work coming up at school. Will be back once that's all done.

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jon_j_rambo Banished Patron Join Date: 11-29-04 Posts: 277	The U.N. just had another dude resign for sexual misconduct, no surprise. The rest of the U.N. was steal money from Iraq along with France/Germany in the food for oil program. What a joke the U.N. Europe sits on their ass as usual, while the USA is TCB (Taking Care of Business & working overtime!)

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Bluesman WAB Bartender *Defense Professional* *Military Professional* Join Date: 11-24-04 Location: Vacaville, CA. Posts: 7,468 Country:	Defeatism...yummy. Gimme some more o' THAT. But fer Gawd's sake, don't even SUGGEST that Bush is winning his battles. Never happen...the guy's dumb as a bag of hammers. Oh, and immoral, too. I almost forgot that part.

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barrowaj Contributor Join Date: 08-22-04 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 710	Just the fact that people are able to do this is what is great about the US. I would frown at seeing this on my neighbor's house (and ask them to take it down, or get the neighborhood association to do so), but at least they aren't going to be locked up and shot for expressing their views.

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