Doctors Practicing Prejudism - Page 2

Bluesman · 02-02-2005, 01:55 AM

I'd be guessing that there's not much racism NOR ability to pay involved. It's more along the lines of the individual's ability to process information and acceptance of responsibility for one's own state of health.

When I was a younger man, I neglected myself horribly. I almost never went to the doctor, and NEVER for anything but a critical care issue. No check-ups, no physicals, not even dental exams or cleanings. (I was blessed with a hardy constitution and a set of teeth that were remarkably resistant to my dissolute lifestyle.) Had I encountered any serious medical issue - the kind that, once it takes hold, can kill you - I would not be here today. If I had had a carcinoma, an infection or a progressive disorder of any kind...I'd have snuffed it.

I know how some people live their lives, and I think that once somebody starts living for somebody else (a spouse and/or kids, for instance), they get much more serious about taking care of themselves. Until then, they may just pass on a regime to keep their health in its prime.

I'm guessing, here. I have no empirical evidence to back my view up. But I think that the race that neglects its health in so many other ways (personal safety, substance abuse, and generally poor habits) is likely to NOT take advantage of care and preventative health opportunities, even if they are as available to other races as to their own.

ChrisF202 · 02-02-2005, 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ray

IMO minorities cannot afford the same level of medical care

Chris,

I think the Indians were the second richest expat communty in the US as per a report (also posted in this forum).

They are a minority.

I am sure they can afford the same type of med benefits as any other European descent American.

I would not straight away jump and yell 'racist'. Before, stating it is racists, maybe one could dvelve and see if there could be some other reasons too.

I am sure the doctor gets paid for doing operations and other 'fancy' technical stuff that is not the 'run of the mill'. Therefore, I am sure he would bother about getting rich than worrying about colour and things like that.

It may sure be racism, but hanging even before being judged may not be fair.

Thanks Ray, Indian and Asian Americans in general are much well off then most Blacks and Hispanics. I see the cause of this as education; Indians and Asians are better off in the US because they stay in school, go to college and get advanced diplomas, etc. I think education is the way to end this disparity in health care, as people get better educated, they can get better jobs as they will be more qualified.

Khalsa_starr · 02-03-2005, 16:03 PM

On this issue i cant say an opinion. Since i'm part of a native band, i don't worry about medical expenses.

It's sounds bad for other minorities though...

Ray · 02-03-2005, 16:23 PM

Quote:

On this issue i cant say an opinion. Since i'm part of aban, i don't worry about medical expenses.

It's sounds bad for other minorities though...

What is 'cant say an opinion'?

What is 'part of aban'?

You think you are a Sikh, which you are not. Because even a Sikh can get unwell or sick. And then you require medical attention.

What do you mean that you don't worry about medical expenses? Do you put your finger in the 'charawa' (the donation box) at the Gurudwara (Sikh Temple) and that is why you don't worry?

Lastly, this Board offical language is ENGLISH.

I just can't make out what the hell you write since you appear to be writing in pidgin Esparanto.

If someone has understood him, do help me.

Thanks.

Khalsa_starr · 02-03-2005, 16:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ray

What is 'cant say an opinion'?

What is 'part of aban'?

You think you are a Sikh, which you are not. Because even a Sikh can get unwell or sick. And then you require medical attention.

What do you mean that you don't worry about medical expenses? Do you put your finger in the 'charawa' (the donation box) at the Gurudwara (Sikh Temple) and that is why you don't worry?

Lastly, this Board offical language is ENGLISH.

I just can't make out what the hell you write since you appear to be writing in pidgin Esparanto.

If someone has understood him, do help me.

Thanks.

First of all, i made an edit in my post saying that i was apart of an "native band" (my expenses are paid for most anyways)

Second, your comments is offensive. Saying that i take money out of the Gurdwara is extremly offensive to a sikh. I'm learning here, so i am not a true sikh YET.

You draw to asumptions quick Ray, i recently had a back operation in January (04). So quit with your ****ing comments - it's offensive.

(sorry for my spelling i "hunt and peck"

)

Ray · 02-03-2005, 17:06 PM

So anyone who has a 'back operation' is free to take off into the blue?

Why cry for compassion with all these sob stories.

Do you listen and read through your posterior that the comments are offensive and is hurting your Rear?

If you talk rot about my country, then stand up and be a man when you are exposed. Don't cringe and ask for quarters with statements like 'back operation'. Back can mean many things and I don't think hemorroids should be such a life threatening operation and recovery!

What are you hunting and pecking? I hope it is within the bounds of decency.

Khalsa_starr · 02-03-2005, 17:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ray

So anyone who has a 'back operation' is free to take off into the blue?

Why cry for compassion with all these sob stories.

Do you listen and read through your posterior that the comments are offensive?

If you talk rot about my country, then stand up and be a man when you are exposed. Don't cringe and ask for quarters with statements like 'back operation'. Back can mean many thing and I don't think hemorroids should be such a life threatening operation and recovery!

What are you hunting and pecking? I hope it is within the bounds of decency.

You post has been reported, just because your high and mighty in the posts and have been here a while, doesn't give you the right to pick on others.

Ray · 02-03-2005, 17:41 PM

No one is picking on you.

You have to be someone worth the hassle for one to do so.

Don't hallucinate. I am sure that you are on 'bhang'.

You are most welcomed to report.

Maximus · 02-03-2005, 18:01 PM

wow, cool it down a little bit in here. For heaven's sake Ray at least you can stop, if not him.

Khalsa_starr · 02-03-2005, 19:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maximus

wow, cool it down a little bit in here. For heaven's sake Ray at least you can stop, if not him.

he's the one that saying the offensive comments, not me.

**Julie** · 02-03-2005, 19:25 PM

I'm not familiar with Sikh or such...I am totally ignorant to the content, so I am unable to form an opinion as to what is offensive here and what is not. My first suggestion, would be for you two to attempt to work it out through PMs so as to keep any flamefest off the Board. If that doesn't work....then we will go from there.

Maximus · 02-03-2005, 20:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Khalsa_starr

he's the one that saying the offensive comments, not me.

Yeah you're stupidity is offensive enough.

**Julie** · 02-03-2005, 23:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maximus

Yeah you're stupidity is offensive enough.

Now what did you go and say that for?

Ray · 02-04-2005, 05:55 AM

Julie,

You may like to read this.

Quote:

Canada rejects Indian’s stay plea

Toronto (PTI): An Indian national, whose allegations forced the Canadian immigration minister to resign, has been deported, ending his 17-year fight to stay in Canada.

[B]Harjit Singh was deported after his allegations that minister Judy Sgro promised him asylum in exchange for free pizzas and elections workers were termed “simply not believable” by a federal court [/b]on Tuesday.

Forty-nine-year-old Singh, convicted in India for child smuggling, had been in detention since December 26 for failing to report to immigration authorities, news agency Canadian Press reported.

Sgro resigned from her cabinet post on January 14 after Singh said his arrest and detention were “politically motivated”. He said Sgro wanted to protect herself from his claims that she had promised he could stay in Canada in exchange for help on her re-election campaign.

“The essence of Singh’s case is that an experienced politician would risk her career, her reputation and legal sanctions to assist a person, whom she does not know, in exchange for free pizzas and a few election volunteers, and that the matter would forever remain secret,” federal court Justice Michael Phelan ruled.

Singh arrived as a visitor in Canada in March 1988 and sought refugee status claiming persecution in India. His pleas were turned down in 1992 but he managed to stay put. Singh has also been charged with a million-dollar credit card fraud by five Canadian banks.

Now read what UK Govt has to say.

Quote:

Asylum rules altered for ‘safe’ India
AMIT ROY

London, Jan. 19: The British government now recognises India as a “safe country” which respects human rights, it is clear from a statement made yesterday by the home office.

The ministry, which is responsible for immigration and asylum, announced: “Asylum applicants from India with clearly unfounded claims will soon have no right of appeal in the UK.”

This marks a shift from the 1980s when Khalistani militancy was at its height and Britain had to cope with the problem of Sikhs seeking asylum in the UK. Others already in the country could not be deported to India because they argued in the courts that their lives would be at risk if they returned.

Later, the two governments signed an extradition treaty as terrorism came to be recognised as a greater threat to both countries.

The home office said: “India is to be added to the list of safe countries from which asylum claims which are refused and certified as clearly unfounded will be determined quickly, and cannot be appealed before removal.”

What this means in practice is that unless an asylum-seeker has a good case, he or she will be sent packing back to India without the right of appeal. If an appeal has to be lodged, it can only be done from India. In contrast, those seeking asylum from countries not on the “safe” list will retain the right of appeal.

Asylum is a controversial political issue in Britain, where the government is under pressure to cut the numbers seeking or granted asylum.

Announcing the change, home office minister Des Browne said: “Adding India to the list of safe countries is part of our drive to prevent failed asylum-seekers from attempting to frustrate their removal from the UK by unnecessarily prolonging the appeals process.”

He added: “Introducing a safe country list has resulted in a significant cut in the number of asylum applicants from these countries and this is just one of a number of steps we are taking to tackle abuse of the system.”

Browne included one qualification: “We have for the time being suspended enforced removals of failed asylum seekers to the southern coast of India, in line with our overall policy on areas affected by the tsunami. India, however, is generally a safe country where people are not routinely fleeing for their lives, and very few people need our protection under the refugee convention.”

He explained: “While we will of course continue to make all decisions on a case by case basis, it is only right that if an asylum seeker does not require our protection, they should return home when it is safe to do so.”

Indian diplomats say the ruling means “people coming from India cannot say they have political exploitation”.

While keeping out undesirables, the home office is trying to make efforts to bring about a more cohesive society by encouraging Asians and blacks to learn more about Britain’s heritage.

Last week, David Bell, the head of Ofsted, the schools’ watchdog body, criticised Islamic faith schools for allegedly failing to teach children enough about other faiths. He felt that they should not be allowed to threaten the coherence of British society.

He was accused of “Islamophobia” by the Association of Muslim Schools when he singled out Islamic schools for failing to teach pupils their obligations to British society. The Muslim Council of Britain described Bell’s remarks as “highly irresponsible”.

A new strategy, “Improving Opportunity, Strengthening Society”, unveiled today by Charles Clarke, David Blunkett’s successor as home secretary, is to examine ways in which government departments and local authorities could promote greater opportunities for ethnic minorities.

Clarke said: “A successful future for Britain depends more than ever on the ability of people from all backgrounds to live and work together in strong and cohesive communities. We also want to encourage a sense of common belonging and shared identity so that in Britain today, no communities or individuals feel left behind.”
http://www.telegraphindia.com/archives/archive.html

Ray · 02-04-2005, 06:24 AM

Julie,

Khalistani movement is defunct.

You need not believe Indians, but you should at least believe the British govt since they would have no axe to grind.

As far as what comprises of the Khalistani movement of late is what the reprt from Toronto Canda states. Mostly Thugs, cheats and frauds are claiming oppression so that they can hang around there and then to cover a sheen of some respectatbility claim that they are Khalsitani and such bogus stuff.

Now, if the Khalistani movement is defunct in India and UK accepts it (they have borne the maximum brunt), then all this stuff without proof that is being spewed by Khalsa Starr and Shere e Punjab and Sikh Warrior is mere propaganda.

There are Sikhs from India who have repeatedly stated on this forum that these joso are wierd and totally off their rocker.

May I inform you that the Sikhs are the backbone of our armed forces and Punjab is the granary of India. Their contribution to our independence is historical and we are proud of them.

These chaps have also insulted the Sikh troops of the Indian Army.

Obviously, when the facts are not there, then it is sheer propaganda. If photos of killed terrorists of 1980s are shown as oppression, then obviously someone has to clear the air.

I am sure if one shows pictures of slaves and they being whipped and then say that oppression and racialism is prevalant in the US, I am sure you will not only contest the same, but even get ballistics.

Don't we see some Americans go ballistic on Iraq? If false malaigning of one;'s country is done, I reckon anyone would take umbrage.

It is worth note that none know each other and so there can be no personal animosity as such. It is against the post and not the person.

02-02-2005, 01:55 AM	#16 (permalink)
Bluesman WAB Bartender *Defense Professional* *Military Professional* Join Date: 11-24-04 Location: Vacaville, CA. Posts: 7,468 Country:	I'd be guessing that there's not much racism NOR ability to pay involved. It's more along the lines of the individual's ability to process information and acceptance of responsibility for one's own state of health. When I was a younger man, I neglected myself horribly. I almost never went to the doctor, and NEVER for anything but a critical care issue. No check-ups, no physicals, not even dental exams or cleanings. (I was blessed with a hardy constitution and a set of teeth that were remarkably resistant to my dissolute lifestyle.) Had I encountered any serious medical issue - the kind that, once it takes hold, can kill you - I would not be here today. If I had had a carcinoma, an infection or a progressive disorder of any kind...I'd have snuffed it. I know how some people live their lives, and I think that once somebody starts living for somebody else (a spouse and/or kids, for instance), they get much more serious about taking care of themselves. Until then, they may just pass on a regime to keep their health in its prime. I'm guessing, here. I have no empirical evidence to back my view up. But I think that the race that neglects its health in so many other ways (personal safety, substance abuse, and generally poor habits) is likely to NOT take advantage of care and preventative health opportunities, even if they are as available to other races as to their own. __________________ "The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it, and if one finds the prospect of a long war intolerable, it is natural to disbelieve in the possibility of victory." - George Orwell

02-03-2005, 16:03 PM	#18 (permalink)
Khalsa_starr Regular Join Date: 01-20-05 Location: Vernon, BC, Canada Posts: 107	On this issue i cant say an opinion. Since i'm part of a native band, i don't worry about medical expenses. It's sounds bad for other minorities though... Last edited by Khalsa_starr : 02-03-2005 at 16:53 PM.

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Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 27,232 Country:	So anyone who has a 'back operation' is free to take off into the blue? Why cry for compassion with all these sob stories. Do you listen and read through your posterior that the comments are offensive and is hurting your Rear? If you talk rot about my country, then stand up and be a man when you are exposed. Don't cringe and ask for quarters with statements like 'back operation'. Back can mean many things and I don't think hemorroids should be such a life threatening operation and recovery! What are you hunting and pecking? I hope it is within the bounds of decency. Last edited by Ray : 02-03-2005 at 17:09 PM.

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Maximus OMGWTFPWNED! *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 10-31-04 Location: India Posts: 876 Country:	wow, cool it down a little bit in here. For heaven's sake Ray at least you can stop, if not him. __________________ Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage.

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02-03-2005, 17:41 PM	#23 (permalink)
Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 27,232 Country:	No one is picking on you. You have to be someone worth the hassle for one to do so. Don't hallucinate. I am sure that you are on 'bhang'. You are most welcomed to report.

02-03-2005, 19:25 PM	#26 (permalink)
Julie Moderator Join Date: 08-04-03 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 6,644 Country:	I'm not familiar with Sikh or such...I am totally ignorant to the content, so I am unable to form an opinion as to what is offensive here and what is not. My first suggestion, would be for you two to attempt to work it out through PMs so as to keep any flamefest off the Board. If that doesn't work....then we will go from there.

02-04-2005, 06:24 AM	#30 (permalink)
Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 27,232 Country:	Julie, Khalistani movement is defunct. You need not believe Indians, but you should at least believe the British govt since they would have no axe to grind. As far as what comprises of the Khalistani movement of late is what the reprt from Toronto Canda states. Mostly Thugs, cheats and frauds are claiming oppression so that they can hang around there and then to cover a sheen of some respectatbility claim that they are Khalsitani and such bogus stuff. Now, if the Khalistani movement is defunct in India and UK accepts it (they have borne the maximum brunt), then all this stuff without proof that is being spewed by Khalsa Starr and Shere e Punjab and Sikh Warrior is mere propaganda. There are Sikhs from India who have repeatedly stated on this forum that these joso are wierd and totally off their rocker. May I inform you that the Sikhs are the backbone of our armed forces and Punjab is the granary of India. Their contribution to our independence is historical and we are proud of them. These chaps have also insulted the Sikh troops of the Indian Army. Obviously, when the facts are not there, then it is sheer propaganda. If photos of killed terrorists of 1980s are shown as oppression, then obviously someone has to clear the air. I am sure if one shows pictures of slaves and they being whipped and then say that oppression and racialism is prevalant in the US, I am sure you will not only contest the same, but even get ballistics. Don't we see some Americans go ballistic on Iraq? If false malaigning of one;'s country is done, I reckon anyone would take umbrage. It is worth note that none know each other and so there can be no personal animosity as such. It is against the post and not the person.

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