China hit by earthquake - Page 3

Southie · 05-13-2008, 09:06 AM

This is just so sad! I really don't even know what to say other than my thoughts and prayers go out to all the families of the victims!

I hope that they will find more survivors but almost know in my heart that that probably won't happen.

I was looking at pictures on MSNBC and couldn't believe the destruction!!

Have we heard from any of our board members from China?

Johnny W · 05-13-2008, 09:43 AM

Horrible, horrible tragedy. The news about the school was terrible to think about.

**astralis** · 05-13-2008, 12:02 PM

my friends in taipei told me that the taipei 101 skyscraper shook- that's how bad it was.

my condolences to all, especially the parents.

Dreadnought · 05-13-2008, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

My heart bleeds

Dam! It wrenches the heart.

gunnut · 05-13-2008, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by nebula82

My god, what a picture.

What a tragedy. This will be one year to remember.

The death toll is probably going to reach shocking levels (if it hasn't already). 18,000 people are buried in one city alone.

Looks like the government responded quickly & decisively...20,000 troops are already in the affected regions.

Nebula82.

Latest I've heard is that 50,000 military/police will be deployed to help with rescue.

This sure is different than 30 years ago when an earthquake killed 1/4 million and the outside world didn't even know about it until years later.

Inst · 05-13-2008, 17:30 PM

Someone already posted it already! lollololololol!

China's earthquake and the Mandate of Heaven - How the World Works - Salon.com

Although, I don't agree with the understanding of the Mandate of Heaven. Imo, the Mandate of Heaven is a tautological construction. If natural disasters occur, and the government can't maintain order and provide governmental services, it is no longer a government, is it? Heaven withdrawing its mandate has nothing to do with it, you might as well call the act of suicide a sign that heaven has withdrawn its mandate to life.

If you follow the concept, the rise in natural disasters due to human-caused climate change, this must also indicate that "Heaven" has withdrawn its sanction for Western civilization, right? Or rather, since industrial countries can now affect the rate of disasters, then he who controls the carbon controls the sanction.

gunnut · 05-13-2008, 19:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inst

Someone already posted it already! lollololololol!

China's earthquake and the Mandate of Heaven - How the World Works - Salon.com

Although, I don't agree with the understanding of the Mandate of Heaven. Imo, the Mandate of Heaven is a tautological construction. If natural disasters occur, and the government can't maintain order and provide governmental services, it is no longer a government, is it? Heaven withdrawing its mandate has nothing to do with it, you might as well call the act of suicide a sign that heaven has withdrawn its mandate to life.

If you follow the concept, the rise in natural disasters due to human-caused climate change, this must also indicate that "Heaven" has withdrawn its sanction for Western civilization, right? Or rather, since industrial countries can now affect the rate of disasters, then he who controls the carbon controls the sanction.

Follow that concept, how do you explain the worst disaster since 2001 struck mainly muslim nations (2004 tsunami)? How about the Kashmir quake that killed 75,000 in 2005? And the 2004 quake in Iran that killed 41,000?

If anyone dares to ask that question, he would be branded as a racist, even though muslims are not a race.

Jay · 05-13-2008, 19:49 PM

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Originally Posted by astralis

my friends in taipei told me that the taipei 101 skyscraper shook- that's how bad it was.

my condolences to all, especially the parents.

Looks like the shock was felt as far as Thailand and Indonesia, so I'm not surprised at all.

Jay · 05-13-2008, 19:49 PM

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TAIPEI, Taiwan: Taiwan offered to send rescue workers to rival China to help with earthquake relief Tuesday, a day after a magnitude 7.9 quake devastated the mainland's Sichuan province.

Taiwan is frequently hit by earthquakes of its own and has highly developed expertise in rescue operations.

"We will try our best to provide all the necessary assistance they may need," Premier Chang Chun-hsiung said.

Chang did not give details. He said authorities need to discuss the plan with their counterparts on the Chinese mainland.

Lawmaker John Chang of Taiwan's opposition Nationalist Party urged the island's government to transport rescue workers and heavy equipment by charter flights to quake-stricken Sichuan Province.

Disaster unites people.

Jay · 05-13-2008, 19:51 PM

The earthquake created a crack in this building in Lanzhou, in the north-western province of Gansu, hundreds of kilometres from the epicentre.

Inst · 05-13-2008, 21:27 PM

My point is that this Mandate of Heaven garbage is propaganda developed by the propagandists of ancient Chinese dynasties to justify their usurpation of the previous government. Taking it too seriously makes us also their suckers.

Zeng · 05-13-2008, 21:48 PM

The picture in the link below shows the WenChuan county, the epicenter before the earthquake:

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Zeng · 05-13-2008, 21:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

The 15ABC has been giving orders to jump into remote areas to deliver medical expertise and human mule power.

Those of you in China, please do give blood. They will need that perhaps more than money.

They re-scheduled the jump to 9:00 am on May 14th if the weather condition getting better. It is about the time right now.

I called my brother back in China. He told me that people waiting in line to give blood.

HKDan · 05-13-2008, 22:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inst

My point is that this Mandate of Heaven garbage is propaganda developed by the propagandists of ancient Chinese dynasties to justify their usurpation of the previous government. Taking it too seriously makes us also their suckers.

I tend to agree with you on this. Most of the articles that have appeared predicting doom and gloom for the Chinese government as a result of this tragedy are nonsense. I can only vouch for the people I know here, but everyone I have spoken with knows that there was nothing that the government could have done to prevent this and all are satisfied with its response to the quake. Really, if you compare how China has reacted to this quake with the response of the government of Myanmar to their recent cyclone or even how the Bush administration dealt with Hurricane Katrina you see that this Chinese government is doing pretty well all things considered. If anything this is another chance for the government to bolster its position.

**Officer of Engineers** · 05-13-2008, 22:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeng

I don't know how to post pictures here. Do we have a thread to give instructions on how to post pictures? Thanks.

Post the link and I'll see what's the problem.

05-13-2008, 09:06 AM	#31 (permalink)
Southie USAF Retired TSgt *Military Professional* Join Date: 04-09-07 Location: Tampa FL Posts: 1,684 Country:	This is just so sad! I really don't even know what to say other than my thoughts and prayers go out to all the families of the victims! I hope that they will find more survivors but almost know in my heart that that probably won't happen. I was looking at pictures on MSNBC and couldn't believe the destruction!! Have we heard from any of our board members from China? __________________ "If you love someone, set them free. If they come back they're yours; if they don't they never were." Richard Bach

05-13-2008, 12:02 PM	#33 (permalink)
astralis *Foreign Service* Moderator Lei Feng Protege Join Date: 08-23-05 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 3,235 Country:	my friends in taipei told me that the taipei 101 skyscraper shook- that's how bad it was. my condolences to all, especially the parents. __________________ Never let the future disturb you. You will meet it, if you have to, with the same weapons of reason which today arm you against the present. -Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

05-13-2008, 21:48 PM	#42 (permalink)
Zeng Contributor Join Date: 01-16-07 Posts: 608 Country:	WenChuan county, the epicenter The picture in the link below shows the WenChuan county, the epicenter before the earthquake: ÈÈÌù£º±±´¨µØÕðÇ°µÄÕÕÆ¬ Èç´ËµØÐÎºÜÄÑ¿ÕÍ¶£¿ - ±¶¿ÉÇ×£¨www.backchina.com£© __________________ I am here for exchanging opinions. Last edited by Zeng : 05-13-2008 at 23:19 PM.

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05-13-2008, 09:43 AM	#32 (permalink)
Johnny W Patron Join Date: 04-30-08 Location: North Carolina Posts: 263 Country:	Horrible, horrible tragedy. The news about the school was terrible to think about.

05-13-2008, 17:30 PM	#36 (permalink)
Inst Patron Join Date: 12-17-06 Posts: 216	Someone already posted it already! lollololololol! China's earthquake and the Mandate of Heaven - How the World Works - Salon.com Although, I don't agree with the understanding of the Mandate of Heaven. Imo, the Mandate of Heaven is a tautological construction. If natural disasters occur, and the government can't maintain order and provide governmental services, it is no longer a government, is it? Heaven withdrawing its mandate has nothing to do with it, you might as well call the act of suicide a sign that heaven has withdrawn its mandate to life. If you follow the concept, the rise in natural disasters due to human-caused climate change, this must also indicate that "Heaven" has withdrawn its sanction for Western civilization, right? Or rather, since industrial countries can now affect the rate of disasters, then he who controls the carbon controls the sanction.

05-13-2008, 19:51 PM	#40 (permalink)
Jay Tamizhanban *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-06-03 Location: Edison, NJ Posts: 6,345 Country:	The earthquake created a crack in this building in Lanzhou, in the north-western province of Gansu, hundreds of kilometres from the epicentre.

05-13-2008, 21:27 PM	#41 (permalink)
Inst Patron Join Date: 12-17-06 Posts: 216	My point is that this Mandate of Heaven garbage is propaganda developed by the propagandists of ancient Chinese dynasties to justify their usurpation of the previous government. Taking it too seriously makes us also their suckers.

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