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Old 05-02-2008, 17:25 PM   #16 (permalink)
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And this is completly different here (that is what I was trying to say earlier), though to be honest...I prefer our model. (Even if I have to admit that our police is forced to wear incredible ugly uniforms).
The mustard shirts with green pants?

Looks alot better then some of the goofy uniforms we have:


Suffolk County Police Dept. Highway Patrol Bureau

Ill this over the above anyday:

BTW: I thought German police were armed?
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Old 05-02-2008, 17:35 PM   #17 (permalink)
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They are not always armed, but is far more commen than in the UK for example. (Depings mostly what their job currently is), and often the try not to wear the weapon to open. Though when something is up, it is not usualy to see them in body armour and mp5s (but which are ALWAYS pointed at the ground, even when another posititon would more compfortal or pratical for what they are doing right now).

Though the use of fireweapon by the German police is pretty rare (because it is seldom needed luckily). I think it was 2005 when a read a report about it for my homestate Bavaria. in this year there was only a SINGLE case in which a policeman had to draw (draw! not shot) his weapon on duty. And the times Police uses lethal force you can usually count one one hand per year. Even situations like hostage crisis end without bloodsheed and the criminal overpowered without firing weapons. Even the GSG9 has fired its weapon on missions only 4 times. Two times to kill a dog of the person they were arresting.

Uhm while rereading my post I am painting our police in a bit to good light. I am trying to say that they are better then those elsewhere, but more that the different background they operate them, allows them to be more careful with their use of weapons.
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Old 05-02-2008, 18:40 PM   #18 (permalink)
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what 2 ppl?
The perpetrator and the victim...wishfully she could have "blasted the baste@" as he attacked her
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Old 05-02-2008, 19:25 PM   #19 (permalink)
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The perpetrator and the victim...wishfully she could have "blasted the baste@" as he attacked her
so what is wrong with that???
she dies anyway according to you.
what makes you think she would be dead, if she shot him before he killed her?? she was alive when she called 911. if she had a gun in her hand instead of the phone, do you think she would still be killed?
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She was probably not killed by a gun so no amount of gun-banning would have saved her life. If she were killed by a gun the paper would be all over this "gun crime" as they call it, as if a "gun crime" is more horrifying than a "regular crime."

The crook probably used his hands or a knife. We all know what happens when you bring a knife to a gun fight. If only she had a gun.
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Old 05-02-2008, 19:56 PM   #21 (permalink)
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so what is wrong with that???
she dies anyway according to you.
what makes you think she would be dead, if she shot him before he killed her?? she was alive when she called 911. if she had a gun in her hand instead of the phone, do you think she would still be killed?
And if she had shot and killed him..how does she prove he was an assailant. In today Mitigation Society Herod would get Community Service
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And if she had shot and killed him..how does she prove he was an assailant. In today Mitigation Society Herod would get Community Service
He was not supposed to be in her apartment.
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Old 05-02-2008, 21:46 PM   #23 (permalink)
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it isn,t about cops, 911 dispatch never called cops, his primary purpose to contact emergency services, he failed to even call back the victim.
Around here the dispatcher works for the Sheriff's Office. Bottom line is the courts are not going to advance the prospect that everyone who is victimized in any way can sue the gov't for big bucks.
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Old 05-02-2008, 21:57 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Sorry English is not my mother language so my choice of words is not always the best.
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Your English is actually quite good. Much better than my German ever was. The correct term here would be "firearm" though.
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What I was trying to say is, that here that it is the job of the police to protect induvidiales (to the best of ther abilities) and not just the society as a whole. The defense (in a trial) that the police does not have to help you would not stand a single minute.
Our police try to protect individuals to the best of their abilities too. But I suspect we have a lot more lawyers here on a % basis than Germany. The courts have said in the past that suing the cops for not protecting you from all harm is unrealistic.
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Tarek, thats very interesting. For a very long time our law enforcement agencies also tried to conceal their sidearms until about the 1960s when they started to openly wear them; the National Park Service did not allow Park Rangers to openly carry their issued sidearms until the 1980s and even then only on the night shift.

That being said; the vast majority of our LEOs go their entire careers without having to ever shoot their weapons off of the shooting range, even in the big cities officer involved shootings are not as common as Hollywood makes it out to be. In my area, the last time an officer shot someone was about 5 years ago and I live in a major metropolitan area.


PS: now that I look at the picture more, it looks like the male officer has a holstered pistol on his left side.
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And if she had shot and killed him..how does she prove he was an assailant. In today Mitigation Society Herod would get Community Service
so (according to your logic, if i got it right) she would be better off dead, instead of answering questions, in a police station?????
i don,t see where you going with it, sorry.
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Around here the dispatcher works for the Sheriff's Office. Bottom line is the courts are not going to advance the prospect that everyone who is victimized in any way can sue the gov't for big bucks.
by you they may work for sheriff, by me they have nothing to do with sheriff, or cops.
it isnt that much about money, but to punish, neglegence, that lead to murder. that might have not happen would dispatch follow the procedure.
plain and simple.
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