Global Warming...Fact or Fiction? - Page 4

ba1025 · 05-01-2008, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Shek

The hottest year on record is still 1998 according to the WMO, and 2008 is expected to be cooler than last year (NASA disagrees, having 2005 as the warmest year, but another agency, the UK's Hadley Centre is in concurrence with the WMO).

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Global temperatures 'to decrease'

Can you direct me to a model that predicted this stabilization in global temperatures? A ten year time period of stabilized temperatures that isn't captured by models indicates that there causal mechanism explanation is flawed.

[GLOBAL]Global temperatures for 2008 will be slightly cooler than last year as a result of the cold La Nina current in the Pacific, UN meteorologists have said.[/quote] That's weather and the BBC is not a govt or a peer reviewed publication

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When you look at climate change you should not look at any particular year," he said. "You should look at trends over a pretty long period and the trend of temperature globally is still very much indicative of warming.

That quote is from your source.

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Adam Scaife, lead scientist for Modelling Climate Variability at the Hadley Centre in Exeter, UK, said their best estimate for 2008 was about 0.4C above the 1961-1990 average, and higher than this if you compared it with further back in the 20th Century.

Again from your source.

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Mr Scaife told the BBC: "What's happened now is that La Nina has come along and depressed temperatures slightly but these changes are very small compared to the long-term climate change signal, and in a few years time we are confident that the current record temperature of 1998 will be beaten when the La Nina has ended."

Basically saying this is an argument agaisnt Global warming is like saying a few cold winters is an ice age.

Image:Instrumental Temperature Record.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I believe this is the answer to your question. It has a number of peaks and troughs but a clear trend

Image:1000 Year Temperature Comparison.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
thats a scary one huh?
Image:2000 Year Temperature Comparison.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is a topic I would gladly argue all day long. it's like being armed with a bazooka in a knife fight
Image:2000 Year Temperature Comparison.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
NCDC: Climate of 2008 - March I dont see here it's been real 'cold' lately and neither does our conservative govt. T

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Global Highlights

The global surface (land and ocean surface) temperature was the 2nd warmest on record for March in the 129-year record, 1.28° F (0.71° C) above the 20th century mean of 54.9° F (12.7° C). The warmest March on record (+1.33° F/0.74° C) occurred in 2002.

The global land surface temperature was the warmest on record for March, 3.3° F (1.8° C) above the 20th century mean of 40.8° F (5.0° C). Temperatures more than 8° F above average covered much of the Asian continent. Two months after the greatest January snow cover extent on record on the Eurasian continent, the unusually warm temperatures led to rapid snow melt, and March snow cover extent on the Eurasian continent was the lowest on record.

Although the ocean surface average was only the 13th warmest on record, as the cooling influence of La Niña in the tropical Pacific continued, much warmer than average conditions across large parts of Eurasia helped push the global average to a near record high for March.

Northern Hemisphere snow cover extent was the fourth lowest on record for March, remaining consistent with boreal spring conditions of the past two decades, in which warming temperatures have contributed to anomalously low snow cover extent.

Some weakening of La Niña, the cold phase of the El Niño-Southern Oscillation, occurred in March, but moderate La Niña conditions remained across the tropical Pacific Ocean.

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ScienceDaily (Apr. 19, 2008) — The average global land temperature last month was the warmest on record and ocean surface temperatures were the 13th warmest. Combining the land and the ocean temperatures, the overall global temperature ranked the second warmest for the month of March. Global temperature averages have been recorded since 1880.

....El Nina is winding down

Are you really saying we are not experiencing global warming Shek or are you just saying you can make a counter argument? Leaving cause out of the picture

7thsfsniper · 05-01-2008, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ba1025

Can someone post some support for their view from something that isn't a conservative rag site or some dummy science study group sponsored by big oil or some lone scientist whose sucking on the tit of big oil? I gave hundreds. Can you give me one report by a western nations study group that agrees with your pov? Bush's study group didnt. I am supposed to believe the one or two dissenters over every other climate scientist???

BA1025, Do know you quoted the Ahnold and Bill Clinton?C'mon

Where are thier creds? I gave you a report from the founder of the weather channel. He is one of the top meteorologist in the world, the man is expert in his field. What worries me is that the Gore-bots are treating and defending this as a religion. Look at how upset the alarmists get when someone puts up evidence that doesn't support the views of the new Greenchurch. Glenn Beck - Interviews - Weather Channel founder suing Gore? I know you won't want to read this, but it is from THE MAN himself. I'm sorry but I haven't found an accredited scientist to support AGW. And yes, I have looked. A LOT

**Officer of Engineers** · 05-01-2008, 10:53 AM

Check the periods of both World Wars - the largest release of CO2 in history ... and it was cooler.

7thsfsniper · 05-01-2008, 11:03 AM

Image:Instrumental Temperature Record.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I believe this is the answer to your question. It has a number of peaks and troughs but a clear trend

Image:1000 Year Temperature Comparison.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
thats a scary one huh?
Image:2000 Year Temperature Comparison.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is a topic I would gladly argue all day long. it's like being armed with a bazooka in a knife fight
Image:2000 Year Temperature Comparison.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
NCDC: Climate of 2008 - March I dont see here it's been real 'cold' lately and neither does our conservative govt. T

Good info BA. I looked at each one and noticed that the higher temps reported in the 2000 year reconstruction was reported by The Holocene, which is arguably a liberal rag. You said to me once that the knife I was wielding cuts both ways. I would say the same here. Point is, regardless where you get the info, the overwhelming evidence doesn't support the alarming situation that AL puts out in AN Inconvenient Truth. Did I not hear a clip where he said that temps will rise(or have risen) 10-15 degrees. Your own graphs don't even indicate one full degree over the the past 240 years.

ba1025 · 05-01-2008, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 7thsfsniper

BA1025, Do know you quoted the Ahnold and Bill Clinton?C'mon

Where are thier creds? I gave you a report from the founder of the weather channel. He is one of the top meteorologist in the world, the man is expert in his field. What worries me is that the Gore-bots are treating and defending this as a religion. Look at how upset the alarmists get when someone puts up evidence that doesn't support the views of the new Greenchurch. Glenn Beck - Interviews - Weather Channel founder suing Gore? I know you won't want to read this, but it is from THE MAN himself. I'm sorry but I haven't found an accredited scientist to support AGW. And yes, I have looked. A LOT

Founding the Weather channel makes him a great businessman. he may even be a greater meteorologist. That is not the same as a Climatologist. What is AGW?

That was a list of comments by everyone from scientists to business leaders to bankers to venture capitalists and yes some politicians sorry about them..... and you give me Glen Beck as a counter point. I'm sorry Global warming isn't a debate. If you choose not to believe in it i wont engage you anymore out of respect anymore than i would an evangelical who believes the earth is 5000 years old. It's a religious belief i somehow don't get buti don't have to agree with it to respect it.

7thsfsniper · 05-01-2008, 11:18 AM

BA- I clicked on this from you Common Arguments from Global Warming Skeptics - Logical Science

After two more clicks it links you here,
Think Progress
are you going to tell me this is not biased?

ba1025 · 05-01-2008, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

Check the periods of both World Wars - the largest release of CO2 in history ... and it was cooler.

there is a ramp up period. when you turn the furnace on and have radiant heat thre is a delay between action and result

ba1025 · 05-01-2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by 7thsfsniper

BA- I clicked on this from you Common Arguments from Global Warming Skeptics - Logical Science

After two more clicks it links you here,
Think Progress
are you going to tell me this is not biased?

How about GWB scientific commission he created to study the problem? They believed it real. You can get too a porn site within 7 clicks of any site

Does that mean the Wall street journal is pornographic

The real tragedy of global warming is that it DID become a partisan issue. Really that list should just give you a moment of repose. For every name you can find fault with there are 3 that would be considered conservative on any other issue. Al Gore might of brought it attention but he brought it knee jerk detractors based on the presenter
What is AGW ?

**Officer of Engineers** · 05-01-2008, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ba1025

there is a ramp up period. when you turn the furnace on and have radiant heat thre is a delay between action and result

Check the period right after both WWs.

7thsfsniper · 05-01-2008, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ba1025

What is AGW?

Anthropogenic global warming. Anthro refers to man made. since its all our fault.

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Originally Posted by ba1025

If you choose not to believe in it i wont engage you anymore

I'm sorry you feel the way you do. But I want to thank you for helping me make my point. You didn't bring anything here that would change my mind. So you have chosen to quit debate and stomp away. It's OK, I apologize for upsetting you.

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Originally Posted by ba1025

That was a list of comments by everyone from scientists to business leaders to bankers to venture capitalists and yes some politicians sorry about them..... and you give me Glen Beck as a counter point. I'm sorry Global warming isn't a debate.

WOW! I'm nearly speechless. However, the counterpoint was not "from or by"Glenn Beck, it was from John Coleman......a scientist.

I referred to it as a religion because, as you are demonstrating, those who are dedicated to the purpose can't be swayed much as a religious fanatic. Something I like about the WAB is you are free to put me on your ignore list if you like. Too bad though

**Parihaka** · 05-01-2008, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ba1025

there is a ramp up period. when you turn the furnace on and have radiant heat thre is a delay between action and result

No no. It COOLED, during the until that time most intensely industrial period of history. So there wasn't simply a lag or delay, it cooled.
It's also possibly cooling now although it's only been ten years, despite every model the IPCC cites stating we should be fast approaching a tipping point with likely positive feed back. Did you learn about positive feedback at school?

**Parihaka** · 05-01-2008, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ba1025

How about GWB scientific commission he created to study the problem? They believed it real. You can get too a porn site within 7 clicks of any site

Does that mean the Wall street journal is pornographic

The real tragedy of global warming is that it DID become a partisan issue. Really that list should just give you a moment of repose. For every name you can find fault with there are 3 that would be considered conservative on any other issue. Al Gore might of brought it attention but he brought it knee jerk detractors based on the presenter
What is AGW ?

Anthropogenic Global Warming. By the way, did you know that Al Gore owns a carbon-credits company? That every time someone offsets their carbon production, they give money to big Al? And that when he justifies his huge carbon footprint by saying he offsets it, he means he's giving money to himself?

I just thought I'd drop that in since you mentioned Lindzen. I would also mention Hansens funding by Soros, but you probably don't know who that is, you're too young.

ba1025 · 05-01-2008, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Parihaka

No no. It COOLED, during the until that time most intensely industrial period of history. So there wasn't simply a lag or delay, it cooled.
It's also possibly cooling now although it's only been ten years, despite every model the IPCC cites stating we should be fast approaching a tipping point with likely positive feed back. Did you learn about positive feedback at school?

Ahh yes so that would indicate an acceleration...like the graphs over the last 200 years show! You aren't trying to prove me wrong you are trying to prove everyone but the far right fringe wrong. it isn't my theory. I think your post makes that point better than i ever could. this is a political issue for you not a scientific one. Smarter Men than either of us looked at the data and all but a handful have reached the same conclusion

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Anthropogenic Global Warming. By the way, did you know that Al Gore owns a carbon-credits company? That every time someone offsets their carbon production, they give money to big Al? And that when he justifies his huge carbon footprint by saying he offsets it, he means he's giving money to himself?

I just thought I'd drop that in since you mentioned Lindzen. I would also mention Hansens funding by Soros, but you probably don't know who that is, you're too young

I remember Kennedy getting shot and grew up when the local river( the naugatuck river) stank and had nothing but worms and bacteria living in it. it has salmon now...cant ever eat them because PCBs don't go away easily but they are living there now. You do know the far right fought the laws that brought that river back to life and used 'science' to base the argument on back then as well ...I haven't been called young in a few years. I am a firm believer in Age and Treachery always getting the better of youth and beauty

7thsfsniper · 05-01-2008, 11:51 AM

How about GWB scientific commission he created to study the problem? They believed it real. You can get too a porn site within 7 clicks of any site Does that mean the Wall street journal is pornographic. No, but it should because both show people getting screwed!

But seriously, my point was they used it as a support/source for the opinion.

**Parihaka** · 05-01-2008, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ba1025

Ahh yes so that would indicate an acceleration...like the graphs over the last 200 years show! You aren't trying to prove me wrong you are trying to prove everyone but the far right fringe wrong. it isn't my theory. I think your post makes that point better than i ever could. this is a political issue for you not a scientific one. Smarter Men than either of us looked at the data and all but a handful have reached the same conclusion

Pardon? An acceleration where? of what? Downward? Upward? When? Over what time period, 200 years? WTF are you talking about?

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7thsfsniper DEVOUT BIKER *Military Professional* Join Date: 02-29-08 Location: Missouri, pron"misery" Posts: 480 Country:	Image:Instrumental Temperature Record.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I believe this is the answer to your question. It has a number of peaks and troughs but a clear trend Image:1000 Year Temperature Comparison.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia thats a scary one huh? Image:2000 Year Temperature Comparison.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia This is a topic I would gladly argue all day long. it's like being armed with a bazooka in a knife fight Image:2000 Year Temperature Comparison.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia NCDC: Climate of 2008 - March I dont see here it's been real 'cold' lately and neither does our conservative govt. T Good info BA. I looked at each one and noticed that the higher temps reported in the 2000 year reconstruction was reported by The Holocene, which is arguably a liberal rag. You said to me once that the knife I was wielding cuts both ways. I would say the same here. Point is, regardless where you get the info, the overwhelming evidence doesn't support the alarming situation that AL puts out in AN Inconvenient Truth. Did I not hear a clip where he said that temps will rise(or have risen) 10-15 degrees. Your own graphs don't even indicate one full degree over the the past 240 years.

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7thsfsniper DEVOUT BIKER *Military Professional* Join Date: 02-29-08 Location: Missouri, pron"misery" Posts: 480 Country:	BA- I clicked on this from you Common Arguments from Global Warming Skeptics - Logical Science After two more clicks it links you here, Think Progress are you going to tell me this is not biased?

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7thsfsniper DEVOUT BIKER *Military Professional* Join Date: 02-29-08 Location: Missouri, pron"misery" Posts: 480 Country:	How about GWB scientific commission he created to study the problem? They believed it real. You can get too a porn site within 7 clicks of any site Does that mean the Wall street journal is pornographic. No, but it should because both show people getting screwed! But seriously, my point was they used it as a support/source for the opinion.

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