troung

Ray

We are dealing with a culture of victimization. These sock puppets are okay with oppressing Tibetans, Uighurs and their own ethnic group but when called on it actually have the gall to ***** about it and blame their victims and attempt to shoot the messengers.

The genocide games were supposed to be a coming out of the closet party for red china but instead have served to remind the west how dirty the goons and thugs who run china and support the regime are.

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astralis

troung,

the problem here is that most chinese will support the regime when it comes to anything dealing with nationalism.....so with that last sentence, you'd be calling just about every chinese in china a goon and a thug.

seriously, people need to look at the larger picture. why all the outcry over tibet, when russia has over the last fifteen years killed hundreds if not thousands of chechens?

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LetsTalk

excellent statement!

LetsTalk

Good question? Was talking about the exact same thing this morning with a Georgian at work.

I support more autonomy/independence for Tibet, if that is was the Tibetans want. But in truth many more countries/nations are occupied in the world for various reasons. Not all get equal treatment or attention.

goodamanda

Maybe now we can't see some foreign channels, but in the future we will. You know Roman is not built in one day. And do you know 40 years ago we even can't ware red or green coat, but now we can. The control of foreign TV channels is not the only thing you can blame the CCP, chinese people also do this. I think no political party is flawless. And most of us believe our life will be better and better (There is a foreign investigation can prove this viewpoint), and if there is sth drasticlly changed, our civillian is the ultimate victims. So unless CCP gives up improve ours life, it will be given the support of most people.

Officer of Engineers

You mean no one hacked the block yet?

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Ray

[quote]I proved that you were purveying horse puckey when you said that you can see foreign channels.

You can see monitored foreign channels.

In the future you will see foreign channels?

True. In the future I shall have a house in Jupiter!!



Indeed I know that Rome was not built in one day, nor was Peking!

But is wearing red and green coats the last word in freedom?

Imagine the oppression that you all had to endure till the time you were allowed to wear red and green coats!!

No political system is flawless.

But every political system excepting Communism allows the Freedom of the Mind as also individual freedom and also, to make it simple for you to understand, wear coats the colour of the rainbow!!

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I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

HAKUNA MATATA

Ray

I find that very odd where every Chinese should have the same mindset.

It is robotic.

The US went to Iraq, but not every American had the same mindset.

In India, too, we are never as a people of the same idea even if India is involved. For instance, there are the Communists, who feel China was right in attacking India in 1962!!

Officer of Engineers

Sir, the initial support, especially on how fast the Iraqis collapsed was almost euphoric. In that, the American public fooled themselves into believing that this could be easy after all.

Those of us who knew better were not listened to.

Zeng

No, it is not a pity. It is a necessary path for a nation to learn its lessons and negotiate its way to a better position.

Olympic game is very important for China at this stage of the development. It gives China a chance to challenge itself to the limit diplomatically and politically.

Economically, for today's China, the cost of the Olympic game is not a big deal. Today, it is also not very hard to balance it out financially just by the game itself.

For the TV broadcast, CBS has paid $1.67 billion to IOC. Half of that money will be given to Beijing. The indirect economic benefit will be lasting even longer. So many infrastructures will be built in Beijing. With the price rise in Beijing's real estate, the infrastructures will be worth more in the future.

Boycotting all products made in China is almost impossible today. If something in that scale happens, the economy will be the last thing we need to worry about.

A country’s rising is not an easy thing. Avoiding difficulties should not be the spirit of Today's China. Challenging ourselves to the difficulties and overcoming them should be the spirit of Today's China.

Olympic game is a very good challenge for us, very difficult to get the chance to organize it, very difficult to defend ourselves for all kinds of disturbances, very difficult to deal with rest of the world politically and diplomatically, while, the chance of a total failure of the event is also minor. It is the great time to grab this chance and facing these challenges.

After the game, we will have a little better and a little bit more matured China.

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Ray

After the games, we will sort out the Tibetan and keep it an affair that none would know.

And similarly Xingjing and any running dog of Moslem and their Koran's exhortation, right?

Ray

This is from a Dubai funded Moslem newspaper.

Fiona Shrot

Good, you remain quite positive as many Chinese. Cool.

I hope I worried too much, perhaps because of the environment around: everyday check new **** economic data and news, then chat all of these with friends, and sometimes talk with professors, of course including real estate's price trend. Actually seldom find something that could make me as positive as you.

Anyway, this olympics is far away from what the gov. expected.

the time cost and opportunity cost of the EIGHT years applying for it
+20,000,000$ fees spent during the applying
+1609,000,000$ budget for the olympic games
+50,000,000$ float for it
+4,000,000$ just for medals
+14,256,000,000$ for the infrastructure
+billions of added money for blur blur blur...
-tourism income from visitors abroad
-835,000,000$ the sales of broadcasting rights
-140,000,000$ the sales of tickets
-some other income
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= WHAT

I am not sure about it.

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Cinderella was a Chinese.

Ray

You Chinese really love statistics!

Fiona Shrot

And I am good at! In the final exam of the statistics course, I was the only one who got full-mark amongst 256 students from Ireland and the rest of the world

However, I know the official statistic data in China are something you cannot believe too much. And, I used to want to do some study based on the data of listed companies, but my teacher said that I would be doomed to get wrong results by any right method.