Movie Fitna - Page 7

JamesCash · 04-01-2008, 08:23 AM

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Last time I checked Geert was not calling for the death of the Muslim's. But Muslim's have been calling for his death and that of the rest of the world that is not Muslim. The question arises...Who is abusing freedom of speech here? Geert, making a movie chronicling the advance of radical Islam in the West? Which is true by the way. Or the Muslim's chanting for the death of the west and the rest of the freaking world that they deem "INFIDEL'S"? And they are doing this by the way.

When you say "they" you are talking about 1,5 billion people in different parts of the world who don't share the same national identity and/or opinions. I think people are so scared by "The Muslim Threat" that that's all they can see. Remember we are still talking about a small group of radical Muslims.

I think the Dutch government is being to un-assertive by apologising here and there. We have to fight for our rights including those of Geert Wilders. We owe it to all the people before us that have died fighting for those rights.
This guy words it exactly how I feel about it.

If you don't want to watch all of it, the first 2 minutes sums it up for me.

yoda9999 · 04-01-2008, 08:26 AM

I thought Fitna was pretty tame. There are Al Qaeda recruitment videos that are more extreme and shocking. Infact, I think the reason why Muslim extremists aren't rioting is because there was nothing in the video that surprised them. They probably wanted a more stirring tribute to their accomplishments.

Mobbme · 04-01-2008, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by yoda9999

I thought Fitna was pretty tame. There are Al Qaeda recruitment videos that are more extreme and shocking. Infact, I think the reason why Muslim extremists aren't rioting is because there was nothing in the video that surprised them. They probably wanted a more stirring tribute to their accomplishments.

ROFL so true

Big K · 04-01-2008, 13:01 PM

i am strongly protesting this film...

Quran have nothing to do with terror!!!

this film has made to spread seeds of hate among us!!!

taking some verses without seeing whole text is PROVOKING people!

Big K · 04-01-2008, 13:12 PM

Surah 4 Verse 50
(Nisa Suresi) 50. Ayet

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Arapça Metin
وَءَاتُوا الْيَتَامَى أَمْوَالَهُمْ وَلَا تَتَبَدَّلُوا الْخَبِيثَ بِالطَّيِّبِ وَلَا تَأْكُلُوا أَمْوَالَهُمْ إِلَى أَمْوَالِكُمْ إِنَّهُ كَانَ حُوبًا كَبِيرًا
Yusuf Ali (English)

2- To orphans restore their property (when they reach their age), nor substitute (your) worthless things for (their) good ones; and devour not their substance (by mixing it up) with your own. For this is indeed a great sin.

M. Pickthall (English)

Give unto orphans their wealth. Exchange not the good for the bad (in your management thereof) nor absorb their wealth into your own wealth. Lo! that would be a great sin.

from the very same surah!!!
in 56th verse Quran describing the HELL!!!

and the HELL is existing in Christianity and Judaism too!

Big K · 04-01-2008, 13:15 PM

and

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"Islam will dominate the world"

means

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Peace will dominate the world

because the meaning of word Islam is Peace...

entropy · 04-01-2008, 13:19 PM

Peace under Islam, yes.

But I do not want Islamic law.

Big K · 04-01-2008, 13:20 PM

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Originally Posted by entropy

Peace under Islam, yes.

But I do not want Islamic law.

no no,

Islam means peace literarly

Kansas Bear · 04-01-2008, 14:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Big K

Surah 4 Verse 50
(Nisa Suresi) 50. Ayet

Are you sure you quoted the correct Surah and verse?

Surah 4 Verse 50
"See how they forge the lie against Allah(pbuh), and this is sufficient of a manifest sin."

glyn · 04-01-2008, 15:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesCash

When you say "they" you are talking about 1,5 billion people in different parts of the world who don't share the same national identity and/or opinions. I think people are so scared by "The Muslim Threat" that that's all they can see. Remember we are still talking about a small group of radical Muslims.

I think the Dutch government is being to un-assertive by apologising here and there. We have to fight for our rights including those of Geert Wilders. We owe it to all the people before us that have died fighting for those rights.
This guy words it exactly how I feel about it.

If you don't want to watch all of it, the first 2 minutes sums it up for me.

That's Pat Condell. His site is worth checking out.

Big K · 04-01-2008, 18:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kansas Bear

Are you sure you quoted the correct Surah and verse?

Surah 4 Verse 50
"See how they forge the lie against Allah(pbuh), and this is sufficient of a manifest sin."

yes i made a mistake about the number of verse...but verses are from the same Surah...

7thsfsniper · 04-01-2008, 20:35 PM

To the administrator: I have a link to the fitna video in its entirety, may I post it here?

**Parihaka** · 04-01-2008, 20:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 7thsfsniper

To the administrator: I have a link to the fitna video in its entirety, may I post it here?

Yes. Although Mobbme's original link still seems to be working, is it not the whole thing?

7thsfsniper · 04-01-2008, 20:57 PM

Thank you Pari, Thought I would check first. I'm sure this is quite controversial. While watching it with my wife, during the scenes of the planes hitting the WTT, she said "why do they have to keep showing this"? I said "because people keep forgetting"! By the way, if your not appalled by the barbarous acts committed against innocent people in this video, regardless of your religion, sex or race, your are either an extremist or a heartless, braindead jerk in need of some education and a reality check.

This is the video in its entirety and sayanything, promises it will not come down.

Fitna Taken Down From Liveleak, So It’ll Be Hosted Here On Say Anything - Say Anything

entropy · 04-01-2008, 20:59 PM

Nothing controversial about the movie. Things that have happened because of extremists following the Qu'ran.

04-01-2008, 13:01 PM	#94 (permalink)
Big K FreeGeneral *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 12-11-06 Location: Istanbul Posts: 1,256 Country:	i am strongly protesting this film... Quran have nothing to do with terror!!! this film has made to spread seeds of hate among us!!! taking some verses without seeing whole text is PROVOKING people! __________________ *I'm not willing to remain silent even there will be no effect when i say.*

04-01-2008, 13:19 PM	#97 (permalink)
entropy Senior Reader *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 03-19-07 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,628 Country:	Peace under Islam, yes. But I do not want Islamic law. __________________ If memory serves...

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7thsfsniper DEVOUT BIKER *Military Professional* Join Date: 02-29-08 Location: Missouri, pron"misery" Posts: 1,234 Country:	To the administrator: I have a link to the fitna video in its entirety, may I post it here? __________________ "Moral courage is the most valuable and usually the most absent characteristic in men."- General George S. Patton, Jr

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04-01-2008, 08:26 AM	#92 (permalink)
yoda9999 Regular Join Date: 05-22-07 Location: California Posts: 43 Country:	I thought Fitna was pretty tame. There are Al Qaeda recruitment videos that are more extreme and shocking. Infact, I think the reason why Muslim extremists aren't rioting is because there was nothing in the video that surprised them. They probably wanted a more stirring tribute to their accomplishments.

04-01-2008, 20:57 PM	#104 (permalink)
7thsfsniper DEVOUT BIKER *Military Professional* Join Date: 02-29-08 Location: Missouri, pron"misery" Posts: 1,234 Country:	Thank you Pari, Thought I would check first. I'm sure this is quite controversial. While watching it with my wife, during the scenes of the planes hitting the WTT, she said "why do they have to keep showing this"? I said "because people keep forgetting"! By the way, if your not appalled by the barbarous acts committed against innocent people in this video, regardless of your religion, sex or race, your are either an extremist or a heartless, braindead jerk in need of some education and a reality check. This is the video in its entirety and sayanything, promises it will not come down. Fitna Taken Down From Liveleak, So It’ll Be Hosted Here On Say Anything - Say Anything

04-01-2008, 20:59 PM	#105 (permalink)
entropy Senior Reader *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 03-19-07 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,628 Country:	Nothing controversial about the movie. Things that have happened because of extremists following the Qu'ran.

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