kuku

These words of hatred, we have heard them and seen the consequences, greedy people on both sides will take these differences and turn them into divisions to be used as an advantage.
If a nation has a peaceful society, i hope they do everything to keep it so, such scars are very hard to heal.

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Neo

Well said Kuku, I second that.

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Adux

Kuku,

If christains can make a Da Vinci Code, then maybe Islamic nut folks should also follow suit. This is the 21st century, and human values hold true not some medival crap of 'any' religion.

Adux

Out of 300 million in Europe, 56 million are muslims!!!!!!!

Tronic

Adu, Muslims also do make such materials; Taslima Nasreen and Salman Rushdie come to mind. Difference is that they both have had to go underground. And as for allowing the material into mainstream, tell me again how many states had to ban Da Vinci Code due to Christian protests?

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Adux

Tronic,

You are very knowledgable guy, are you telling me that there is a comparison between christain protest and muslim protest, protest to da vinci code and protest for the cartoon issue, they can be compared HOW?

The biggest problem with Indian community, is falling for taaqiyah and not looking at the problem at all.

T_igger_cs_30

This is a frightening thread
KUKU
very well said kuku, history is littered with examples

Mobbme
While I agree with and support free speech, the fact this site gave in and removed the movie says it all
This type of "propoganda" is terrifying and the potential igniter for far worse events.
As Pari stated
however Pari you go on to say
You underestimate the memories of Europeans, whilst historicly you and Dale are correct, as a nation the UK having been on the recieving end of a blanket bombing campaign, to beat you into submission (the Blitz) and Germany who suffered the indignation of this at the end of the war, and did not survive it. Europeans are in no way eager to go through this again.
Do not entirely dismiss the idea of Europe coming together on this to beat this threat of terrorism.

Neo
You are so right

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Alamgir

I think this video reflects general racism/frustration with immigrant Muslims for just being non-White immigrants rather than a strict attack on Islam. It appears to me that the attack on Islam actually is more of a cover or an excuse to lash out against Muslim immigrants in general, although i have no doubts that the Dutchmen probably does detest Islam.

But in saying that, hostility towards immigrants is not unique to Europeans, it exists everywhere and among every society. Especially when ghettoization occurs and immigrants attack the values and system of their host country, and abuse that very same system too.

Its a viscous circle of abuse from a minority on each side that goes both ways, but the wider communities are always the ones to pay the price.

Neo

If Christians or any other religion for that matter have lost their sense of decency so be it, most don't even live by the book nor do they possess knowledge of the Scripts so I couldn't care less.

But for me it becomes an act of blasphemy if I'm exposed to it and I have the right to condemn.

Tronic

Adu, problem is not Taaqiyah. The problem is distinguishing between radicals and the non-radicals. If you attack Islam as a whole, then you run the risk of isolating and possibly even driving the moderates into the radical camp. This problem can't be solved by attacking entire communities; but by rooting out the fanatic elements; which a lot of governments are failing to do; and which our government is actually doing the opposite, i.e. giving voice to the radicals as "freedom of speech" but suppressing the moderates from attacking radical Islam by terming it "freedom of religion." The problem is the governments which are allowing this to happen, not entirely the society. (And this is the fact which a lot of people refuse to digest).

Neo

Holland is still quite liberal comared to most European countries but unfortunately 9/11 has changed the perception of the simple minded, these people are vulnerable to false propaganda and fall prey to pupulists like Wilders or the assisnated Dutch leader Pim Fortuyn. Its a very cheap way to bank votes.

Neo

What upsets me is that Wilders took the verses totally out of context, mixed it with violant video material to prove his point. I could do the same to prove that the Bible encourages incest or paedophilia

Its so easy to misinterpret the Scripts, be it the Quran or the Bible.

Alamgir

Its not 9/11 and all that has followed that is solely to blame. General racism and also ghettoization of certain immigrant communities from Muslim countries in parts of France, England, Germany, Holland etc are all factors that breed resentment of Islam among Europeans.

Parihaka

It's my hope Tigger.
I realize what I said is a rude statement and I'm not going around trying to insult Europeans for the sake of it, but history makes me nervous.
It's the weakness of the politicians that gets me. All it takes is a John Howard type statement of love us or leave us and presto, things get better.
I understand Entropy's feeling of frustration but I know that mistaking a few bad apples for all of Islam in the west is a big mistake, and I know the film is a piece of hate propaganda specifically designed to inflame hatred against all Muslims. It's maker deserves just as much vilification as the idiot protestors with the signs he shows in his 'movie'.

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